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I am curious if it has been mentioned just how much dragons eat?
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However much they want.
*rimshot*
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1 troll, 2 orks, 2.5 elves or humans, 3.2 dwarves.
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Well, Hestaby is probably on a Street or Squatter Lifestyle... So, whatever has been thrown out behind the Big Rhino?
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I think there's an actual weight to foodweight ratio, and it depends on their physical activity, and what special vitamins and minerals they need that their body doesn't synthesize.
At a really long shot guess I'd say 2-3% of their body weight.
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Dragon chewable vitamins, now available at your local Stuffer Shack.
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Flintstone Vitamins: Actual Size.
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Also Runners n Bits dragon food.
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New from S-K: Runnerschnitzel!
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Which brings to mind something I really want to use in a game.
"And if that doesn't work?"
"Well, I, for one, will contact Herr Lofwyr and inquire as to how he prefers his elf. Just to save him the trouble."
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How much do they eat? That depends... how big is your party?
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According to wikipedia the sperm whale is approximately the same size as a standard western dragon. It is a prodigious eater and will eat somewhere around 3% of its body weight a day, approximately 12,000 kilos. If dragons have some other (i.e. magic) way of gaining sustenance this number may be much smaller, even down to 1% or so of their weight.
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How much DO dragons weigh anyway? Given how they're magical they might weigh far less than that sperm whale.
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Personally, I'd say between 26,000 to 31,000 kg for a standard western dragon.
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How about this, you go ask Hestaby her weight, and I'll stand on the other side of the planet. ;D
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How about this, you go ask Hestaby her weight, and I'll stand on the other side of the planet. ;D
Maybe better go to space. Dragons can go there due to the mana void. :)
You can find it. I've read somewhere (I can't recall exactly which book) that S-K has two carriers that can take Loffy in his dragon form. They should know.
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Isn't one of those in Rigger 4?
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How about this, you go ask Hestaby her weight, and I'll stand on the other side of the planet. ;D
Maybe better go to space. Dragons can go there due to the mana void. :)
You can find it. I've read somewhere (I can't recall exactly which book) that S-K has two carriers that can take Loffy in his dragon form. They should know.
Dragons could absolutely go to space. The mana void of -12 would just reduce their magic, they'd still have a ton left.
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How about this, you go ask Hestaby her weight, and I'll stand on the other side of the planet. ;D
Maybe better go to space. Dragons can go there due to the mana void. :)
You can find it. I've read somewhere (I can't recall exactly which book) that S-K has two carriers that can take Loffy in his dragon form. They should know.
Dragons could absolutely go to space. The mana void of -12 would just reduce their magic, they'd still have a ton left.
Astral forms (including dual-natured creatures) take damage in a mana void depending on the depth of the background count. In a -12 void, dual-natured creatures like dragons have to resist 12P each Combat Turn. Of course, great dragons all have hardened Mystic Armor 20, so Lofwyr can take a trip to Z-O, for example, and not be affected in the slightest. Any dual-natured creature without at least hardened Mystic Armor 12 will likely be killed in a void in minutes, hours if they're really lucky, or have high Body.
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Oh, interesting. What book/page is that discussed? I thought it just went off the normal background count rules of magic reduction.
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How about this, you go ask Hestaby her weight, and I'll stand on the other side of the planet. ;D
Maybe better go to space. Dragons can go there due to the mana void. :)
You can find it. I've read somewhere (I can't recall exactly which book) that S-K has two carriers that can take Loffy in his dragon form. They should know.
Dragons could absolutely go to space. The mana void of -12 would just reduce their magic, they'd still have a ton left.
Astral forms (including dual-natured creatures) take damage in a mana void depending on the depth of the background count. In a -12 void, dual-natured creatures like dragons have to resist 12P each Combat Turn. Of course, great dragons all have hardened Mystic Armor 20, so Lofwyr can take a trip to Z-O, for example, and not be affected in the slightest. Any dual-natured creature without at least hardened Mystic Armor 12 will likely be killed in a void in minutes, hours if they're really lucky, or have high Body.
Isn't their Mystic Armor affected by their Magic Rating? Doesn't their rating actually drop in a void?
So, wouldn't the void drain their MA?
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Look in Street Magic, feeney, under the section on mana anomalies.
And no, Gun Nut, it is the Critter power Mystic Armor, not the adept power or spell. As such, it is unaffected by voids.
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Badass, thanks. I never noticed that it said astrally perceiving(and dual-natured being specifically)... I thought it was just atral projection. I had a duh moment. So yeah, dragons could totally survive in space's mana void.
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Great dragons could. Regular dragons only have hardened mystic armor 8. Which means they'd still be having to resist up to 12P per combat turn.
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Badass, thanks. I never noticed that it said astrally perceiving(and dual-natured being specifically)... I thought it was just atral projection. I had a duh moment. So yeah, dragons could totally survive in space's mana void.
And Hestaby would still be a pretty terrifyingly powerful caster.
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And wouldn't technically "weigh" anything. :P
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She would have Mass, however.
Strange, I didn't picture her as being Catholic. ;D
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True, but I bet she would just LOVE the worship. ;D
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Heh. I can just see Hestaby moving to one of the space stations out there, and setting up a spell to allow her to survive in hard vacuum.
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That would be an interesting way to get around her expulsion. Imagine her aboard the Zurich Orbital, bad times for Loffy.
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Seems impractical. Dragons would require a LOT more food and water and air than regular metahumans.
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Let's say a dragon weighed in at a few tons. Given the formula presented earlier that would mean around 400 to 500 lbs a day. So yeah much more than your average metahuman.
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How does having a human form change things?
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Changes the oxygen requirements, certainly. Food and water? Unclear. For some reason, the dragons don't want us poking around into their physiology like that. ;)
Still, it would be a glorious way for one of the other Court members to tweak the noses of SK and NeoNET to have Hestaby be their new Court Justice. And EVO has an opening, with Hino finally revealed as being dead...
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Still, it would be a glorious way for one of the other Court members to tweak the noses of SK and NeoNET to have Hestaby be their new Court Justice. And EVO has an opening, with Hino finally revealed as being dead...
That could be a dangerous move. Corporate Court Justice election is a single-step process where AA or AAA megacorporations propose individual candidates. They must name their candidate before the vote takes place. The vote then validates both a candidate and its sponsor status as AAA at the same time.
This is not much of a problem as long as the candidate is a virtual nobody, a loyal corporate lawyer with no global agenda (internal rivalry and career plan are of no concern). Evo only had Yoshiko Hino elected to the court. Should Evo makes Hestaby its candidate to replace her, there would only be two possible outcomes: Hestaby joins the Corporate Court and Evo keeps AAA rating, or Hestaby stays out and Evo loses AAA rating.
Would Evo proposes a more typical candidate, the election would be down to the usual geo-economic considerations on Evo's weight in the global economy and the Corporate Court position in international affairs.
With Hestaby, Evo would take a huge risk over what Lofwyr, Celedyr, Lung and Ryumyo (and possibly Rhonabwy) would be ready to do and how much they would bother about geo-economic considerations to prevent Hestaby from joigning the Court.
Saeder-Krupp and Mitsuhama Computer Technologies would probably vote against Hestaby no matter what. Renraku Computer Systems and Shiawase would jump on the opportunity to get rid of Evo.
Neonet would depends on Celedyr influence and willingness (if he doesn't mind Hestaby being elected, he could still say to the other dragons he wasn't able to overturn Richard Villiers or the board instruction for the vote). Horizon would support Hestaby. Ares Macrotechnology may vote for Hestaby as well.
Though the math is much more complex than "one corp-one vote," Evo would likely need to secure the vote of both Aztechnology and Wuxing. You could hope those two corporations would vote for a Pacific Prosperity Group fellow member. But Lung may influence Wuxing, and the corporation's ambition of hegemony over the PPG could be compatible with Evo losing. As for trusting Aztechnology for anything (like, voting Dunkelzahn self-proclaimed heir into a position of power...), I sure wouldn't bet my AAA rating on it.
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Um, no, having a justice voted down doesn't send EVO back down to AA status. That is a different thing entirely.
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Corporate Download, page 21
A bedrock clause states that the original Big Seven founder can never lose their last seat on the Court (and thus can't lose their AAA rating). Theoritically, however, corps such as Yamatetsu, Cross and Wuxing can lose their justices and be removed from the Court. You can sure as drek bet that rule is on everyone's mind whenever the justices from non-founding corps come up for election.
On the process itself, the introductory short story "Pieces of a Puzzle" in Blood of the Boardroom recounts the election of Li Feng to the Corporate Court in 2059. Lofwyr orders "to oppose Feng's appointment to the court" is made synonimous with opposing Wuxing entrance. It's Li Feng election that automatically elevated Wuxing to AAA status according to Game Information, page 74.
The other way around, when Lynn Osborne left Fuchi Industrial Electronics, the corporation no longer had a jutice on the court and lost AAA status.
No longer having a justice clearly is the first step before losing AAA status. It may not be made clear the following step automatically is losing AAA status.
Maybe only promotion is automatic, while demotion requires an extra step. A corporation could thus retain AAA status (and a ZOG share) while no longer having a seat on the Court. This possibility is just never mentionned or suggested. Fuchi and Cross both losts AAA rating, and the quote from Corporate Download suggest there was an actual risk for Yamatetsu and Wuxing every time the justice seat was up for reelection.
Even if such a possibility existed, the majority that turns down Hestaby could also strip Evo of AAA status. The special commission only vote for justice, so it would be up to the court proper. A majority would be even easier to achieve there, since Saeder-Krupp and the Japanacorps holds 7 seats, should Lofwyr want to punish Evo for siding with Hestaby.
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Don't you see! Hestaby is working with the gnomes of Zurich to control the worlds chocolate supply!
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Don't you see! Hestaby is working with the gnomes of Zurich to control the worlds chocolate supply!
:o
Well...at least that's on topic.....ish. ???
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Everyone relax, Plan 9 just got off his/her meds. Again.
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....That's supposed to help us relax? ???
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....That's supposed to help us relax? ???
More of a reason to run.
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Considering the hibernation that dragons went through, I'm pretty sure they survive off of plot magic. They don't NEED, they just munch on the mana as they tweak the background around themselves to more accurately fit their needs. *shrugs* Stuff like this doesn't really matter, anyway. That's why there are so many joke responses. Because it's useless fluff, and no one is stupid enough in game to try to figure out a dragon's eating habits, lest they become a part of those habits.
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By the way, Kalanyr actively hunts people in the Redmond Barrens from time to time, according to Clutch of the Dragons. Sometimes he eats them, sometimes he tells them they got this close to being eaten, sometimes he sneaks up on them, gives them a push, and flies off laughing.
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Sounds like Dragons sustain themselves off Mana more than anything, be it from people, or nature.
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Not quite. Think of it more like snakes or other cold-blooded reptiles, except with mana instead of heat. Mana level goes down, they're weaker, sluggish, and hibernate. It starts rising, they wake up, and their powers start coming back. For food, the only example I've seen of a dragon actually discussing their eating habits in any detail is from the Earthdawn book Dragons, where Vasdenjas was talking to his scribe, got hungry, and went out for a bite, bringing back a whole cow. Vasdenjas said that he doesn't like to eat his fill in one sitting, because it makes him sluggish, so he tries to break things up and have a few meals throughout the day.
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Also, Perianwyr proved they can get drunk. They just want to have it happen, and it takes a lot, even in human form.
It's also hilarious for a Non-Great to get passed-out drunk, too! ;D
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Also, Perianwyr proved they can get drunk. They just want to have it happen, and it takes a lot, even in human form.
It's also hilarious for a Non-Great to get passed-out drunk, too! ;D
Yeah, cause that's a good idea. Consider the amount of damage a typical rock star can do when juiced up, and now add in magic, dual-natured, and strength and toughness that is off the charts. That's got to be a recipe for unpleasantness.
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Also, Perianwyr proved they can get drunk. They just want to have it happen, and it takes a lot, even in human form.
It's also hilarious for a Non-Great to get passed-out drunk, too! ;D
Yeah, cause that's a good idea. Consider the amount of damage a typical rock star can do when juiced up, and now add in magic, dual-natured, and strength and toughness that is off the charts. That's got to be a recipe for unpleasantness.
The poor hotel room didn't know what hit it.
Hopefully they tip their maids.
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Also, Perianwyr proved they can get drunk. They just want to have it happen, and it takes a lot, even in human form.
It's also hilarious for a Non-Great to get passed-out drunk, too! ;D
Yeah, cause that's a good idea. Consider the amount of damage a typical rock star can do when juiced up, and now add in magic, dual-natured, and strength and toughness that is off the charts. That's got to be a recipe for unpleasantness.
The poor hotel room didn't know what hit it.
Hopefully they tip their maids.
That's nothing compared to what they did to the dragon-sized instruments on stage. They didn't even need lighter fluid!
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Well, apparently Peri and Damon have gone clubbing together at the Eclipse before. THAT would be a sight to see. Peri rocking out to the music, and Damon trying to pick up girls for the two of them.
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Considering the hibernation that dragons went through, I'm pretty sure they survive off of plot magic. They don't NEED, they just munch on the mana as they tweak the background around themselves to more accurately fit their needs. *shrugs* Stuff like this doesn't really matter, anyway. That's why there are so many joke responses. Because it's useless fluff, and no one is stupid enough in game to try to figure out a dragon's eating habits, lest they become a part of those habits.
You apparently have no idea as to what lengths scientists will go to for information, nor the boundless range of topics they will delve into. What, and how much, does a dragon eat is certainly going to be near the top of the list, and I wouldn't be surprised if they found that out pretty early on.
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Considering the hibernation that dragons went through, I'm pretty sure they survive off of plot magic. They don't NEED, they just munch on the mana as they tweak the background around themselves to more accurately fit their needs. *shrugs* Stuff like this doesn't really matter, anyway. That's why there are so many joke responses. Because it's useless fluff, and no one is stupid enough in game to try to figure out a dragon's eating habits, lest they become a part of those habits.
You apparently have no idea as to what lengths scientists will go to for information, nor the boundless range of topics they will delve into. What, and how much, does a dragon eat is certainly going to be near the top of the list, and I wouldn't be surprised if they found that out pretty early on.
Oh, I'd be surprised if they found out. I wouldn't be surprised if some dragons found out how nosy scientists taste with ketchup.
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The list of live metahumans who know how much a dragon eats is frighteningly small. And it basically includes only those people who are in a dragon's inner circle, plus immortal elves. The dragons are VERY protective of their secrets.
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Secrets? They're protective of pretty much any information.
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The list of live metahumans who know how much a dragon eats is frighteningly small. And it basically includes only those people who are in a dragon's inner circle, plus immortal elves. The dragons are VERY protective of their secrets.
Forget what it eats, they have to go to the bathroom right?
Dun Dun Duuuuun.
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The list of live metahumans who know how much a dragon eats is frighteningly small. And it basically includes only those people who are in a dragon's inner circle, plus immortal elves. The dragons are VERY protective of their secrets.
Forget what it eats, they have to go to the bathroom right?
Dung Dung Duuuuung.
Fixed that for you.
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The list of live metahumans who know how much a dragon eats is frighteningly small. And it basically includes only those people who are in a dragon's inner circle, plus immortal elves. The dragons are VERY protective of their secrets.
Forget what it eats, they have to go to the bathroom right?
Dung Dung Duuuuung.
Fixed that for you.
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Not quite. Think of it more like snakes or other cold-blooded reptiles, except with mana instead of heat. Mana level goes down, they're weaker, sluggish, and hibernate. It starts rising, they wake up, and their powers start coming back. For food, the only example I've seen of a dragon actually discussing their eating habits in any detail is from the Earthdawn book Dragons, where Vasdenjas was talking to his scribe, got hungry, and went out for a bite, bringing back a whole cow. Vasdenjas said that he doesn't like to eat his fill in one sitting, because it makes him sluggish, so he tries to break things up and have a few meals throughout the day.
Been a while since I read that book, but I thought there was a bit more detail about the eating habits in that book, not alot, but a bit more.
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Vasdenjas also talked about how he did enjoy the occasional taste of roasted dwarf, but the reason dragons didn't go around eating people too often is because the more you do that kind of thing, the more troubled you get with idiots trying to kill you.
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Besides it hard to tell if a dwarf is ripe or not.
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Not really. Wait till he leaves the gym and lock him in a room for a bit. Ripens nicely. ;D :P
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Honestly, what dragons like to eat would seem like the kind of thing Dunkelzahn would've brought up on his show at some point.
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Honestly, what dragons like to eat would seem like the kind of thing Dunkelzahn would've brought up on his show at some point.
Or gone, "Is that a Dwarf in a King Kong outfit climbing the Empire State Building?" to distract people when he got that question.
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Honestly, what dragons like to eat would seem like the kind of thing Dunkelzahn would've brought up on his show at some point.
Or gone, "Is that a Dwarf in a King Kong outfit climbing the Empire State Building?" to distract people when he got that question.
You cannot tell me that a guy who runs for President never once ate at a dinner party or cookout.
Some of the other Dragons, sure. But Big D? Nah. He was gregarious.
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The list of live metahumans who know how much a dragon eats is frighteningly small. And it basically includes only those people who are in a dragon's inner circle, plus immortal elves. The dragons are VERY protective of their secrets.
Forget what it eats, they have to go to the bathroom right?
Dun Dun Duuuuun.
And judging from the Sea Dragon, it's wherever they want.
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Sustained Spell: Vanish Droppings?
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The ones to ask would be Aztechnology, because I'm pretty sure you find out a dragon's diet about the same way you find out what a shark has been eating. Cut it open and search the stomach(s). The Azzies are the ones that would have the files on what was in Ditzlebahn's(sp?) stomach. But, um, good luck getting to those files.
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Perhaps I missed this up-thread, but some of the point-of-view fiction about the fall of Alamais in Stormfront refers to how the various dragons which had come to his domain, wherein they could feed at will on the metahuman population, had grown in size (and attendant power) rapidly during this period. This may imply that there's something special about feeding on metahumans that speeds dragon maturation.
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Probably because there is more magical potential to be had from eating metahumans than there is eating cows or other animals.
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The thrill of the hunt was also involved there. Or to translate, you don't get experience from herding livestock. You do get experience (or in this case, Karma) from hunting live game.