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Title: Bottled Demon
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0302:24>
I have seen the adventure but do not own it (I own very few of the adventures, but about 90% of all the sourcebooks ever made).  Does anyone know if they ever mentioned the attributes/Name of the Horror bound within it?  Curious for identification purposes.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-06-10/0311:44>
No, it does not mention either.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-06-10/0314:21>
Nope, the most you can get is if you assense the idol. It appears to be a power focus that weaves into the astral as normal, then "veers off at 90 degrees" to what normal idols do.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0316:34>
Hmmm, my only further question would be if it somehow tainted the idol singer's singing or music.

That would (potentially) identify it as Fla-Tra-Lys, the Eater of Music.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Mooncrow on <09-06-10/0330:09>
I don't think there's a singer in that adventure to test that theory out. 
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-06-10/0333:25>
Must be thinking of a different storyline, then.  Don't recall the run for BD.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-06-10/0356:27>
Hmm... the only adventures I remember with singers are Dark Angel, Mercurial, One Stage Before and Total Eclipse.

I just brought up Total Eclipse and I think it's the one you're talking about. The spirit Twilight was trapped in the magical prison in the Australian Outback and was freed by Sam Verner's actions in Find Your Own Truth.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: raggedhalo on <09-06-10/0613:50>
In SR4 terms, I'm pretty sure that the Demon in the Bottle is, in fact, an Imp (per Threats 2/Running Wild).

Very cool old-school adventure.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Darkeus on <09-06-10/2202:43>
Yeah, the Bottled Demon is most definitely a very powerful and very old Imp.  It may be the baddest of the most bad-ass Imps in existence as a matter of fact.  I have done much research into this and that is the only conclusion I have come up with. 
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Casazil on <09-07-10/0533:51>
Heh cool sounds like it'll be fun to run my group through.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Alyred on <09-08-10/1507:19>
Agreed, it appears they made the rules for imps with the bottle as a template.

It's incidentally one of my favorite adventures to run, with DNA/DOA.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Dead Monky on <09-08-10/1520:50>
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That would (potentially) identify it as Fla-Tra-Lys, the Eater of Music.
Well, that would at least be better than it holding Chantrel's Horror or Nemesis.  *shudder*
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Casazil on <09-08-10/1753:47>
Agreed, it appears they made the rules for imps with the bottle as a template.

It's incidentally one of my favorite adventures to run, with DNA/DOA.

DNA/DOA written by Dave Arenson the one time we brought a D&D master to Shadowrun  ;D
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-08-10/1831:05>
Agreed, it appears they made the rules for imps with the bottle as a template.

It's incidentally one of my favorite adventures to run, with DNA/DOA.
DNA/DOA written by Dave Arenson the one time we brought a D&D master to Shadowrun  ;D
Nice! I never realized that.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: DarkLloyd on <09-08-10/1942:15>
While I don't know about any potential "Horror" links to the Item form bottled demon; I ran in it years and years ago with one of my mages.
     It sucked out a point of magic and made me make it "My Preicous". lol.
My whole team had to take me down and get it from me. At the time we ran it I wasn't aware of the SR/ED link because I hadn't bought/played ED and didnt want to. I later bought the module but just stuck it in "The Archive" cause Im not a GM.
     So, I cannot comment on what Links That one had,.....Buuuut you might wanna look at this next paragraph a little closer.

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2009 Shadowrun Tournament
Idol Threats
Twenty years ago it gained the attention of two dragons, now it wants your attention. This year’s Gen Con tournament revels in Shadowrun’s twenty year history, while it manages to pack all new surprises into the mix. All teams advance, so plan on playing in both sessions on both Friday and Saturday Night.

I read that descrip when I was getting ready for Gencon that year and just Knew they were referencing BD. Turns out I was right. And yes there is a link in there. But I'm not gonna say more until I know it's cool, they wanted it kept under wraps if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Casazil on <09-08-10/1943:43>
While I don't know about any potential "Horror" links to the Item form bottled demon; I ran in it years and years ago with one of my mages.
     It sucked out a point of magic and made me make it "My Preicous". lol.
My whole team had to take me down and get it from me. At the time we ran it I wasn't aware of the SR/ED link because I hadn't bought/played ED and didnt want to. I later bought the module but just stuck it in "The Archive" cause Im not a GM.
     So, I cannot comment on what Links That one had,.....Buuuut you might wanna look at this next paragraph a little closer.

Quote
2009 Shadowrun Tournament
Idol Threats
Twenty years ago it gained the attention of two dragons, now it wants your attention. This year’s Gen Con tournament revels in Shadowrun’s twenty year history, while it manages to pack all new surprises into the mix. All teams advance, so plan on playing in both sessions on both Friday and Saturday Night.

I read that descrip when I was getting ready for Gencon that year and just Knew they were referencing BD. Turns out I was right. And yes there is a link in there. But I'm not gonna say more until I know it's cool, they wanted it kept under wraps if i remember correctly.

An no read BD untill after I run it  ;D
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-08-10/2050:38>
Shoot. Now I'm *really* upset I didn't play it at GenCon last year...
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Lycus on <09-21-10/1151:23>
Definitely linked to BD but would need work to be canon. A nice little trip down memory lane though. The tournament had a number of little tie-ins to earlier adventures.

Maybe they should publish it!  ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Gideon on <11-19-10/2229:38>
So one of my favorite cameo/tie-ins was the dynamic duo of Bloodwing and Nightprince elven Tir assassins.. ;D

and the intorduction of the Great Feathered Dragon, Arleesh - I ended up making her pretty major in my first campaign...
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Crossbow on <12-29-10/2050:13>
Great adventure, ran it twice, unfortunately the first time I got to learn as a GM how dangerous a group of well equipped and highly skilled runners could be when taking on a dragon.  They one-shot killed it with a machine gun. Boy, did that give THAT runner the big head.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Prime Mover on <01-10-11/1230:22>
Ok I'm alittle fuzzy as it's been awhile since I read BD.  Doesn't Arlessh destroy the idol in the end?  I'm pretty sure theres mention of "horrors" attached to the idol as well.  I remember a mention on dumpshock a long while back that the Idol was indeed an Imp as well.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <01-10-11/1253:11>
Heh... the book doesn't actually say destroyed. It says that, after Arleesh is done with it, it's "inert". Just means it's no longer active, but could be reactivated at some time. ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Kerebrus on <01-11-11/1116:20>
I'm looking to convert Bottled Demon (and DNA/DOA) to 4th Edition for my local group.  since we have two mages and two adepts, the Bottled Demon is potentially going to be TEMPTING.

time to get crunching.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: MK Ultra on <01-12-11/0611:21>
Nice - how are you going to handle the demon for adepts? I would suggest making it an Infusion Focus (and alowing them to use Infusion without actually having the Metatechnique, using force instead of initiation grade). That should make it quiet tempting for the players - maybe more then for mages, even, so you might limit the force of the focus to 1/2 for them, maybe also give them an easyer will roll to resist, to balance that..
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Fallen on <08-11-11/0242:36>
Necro, I know, still felt like putting my two nuyen in:

I've always thought the entity in the Bottle was the free spirit calling itself Tutor, and assumed it had been freed from the Bottle after Arleesh destroyed the artifact (most likely, she was unaware the spirit would become active after being "freed" from its "prison" -- It was probably banished to a distant Metaplane and somehow managed to return into the fold (possibly losing 2 Force points in the process)).

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Tutor: SRII Threats, page 92:

"Tutor "helps" the mage or shaman by linking itself to the magic-user through its special Spirit Tap power.  By feeding some of its own power to the spellcaster, Tutor makes it appear that the caster can cast more powerful versions of common spells and take less drain for doing so.  The spirit's payback is that the use of the Spirit Tap power exposes the mage or shaman to potential backlash that can result in the loss of magical power."

Given that the Idol acts a level 12 Power Focus (which, back in SR and SRII, raised a character's Magic Attribute (which, in turn, gave an additional number of dice to the spellcaster's Magic Pool -- dice that could be used for spellcasting or to resist Drain)), the effects of the Idol appear to be on par with the Tutor's power of Spirit Tap.

Granted, though, Tutor's Force rating is 10 and not 12.  Still, the similarities are there.

Edit: Typos and amendments
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Charybdis on <08-14-11/2220:15>
I've always thought the entity in the Bottle was the free spirit calling itself Tutor, and assumed it had been freed from the Bottle after Arleesh destroyed the artifact (most likely, she was unaware the spirit would become active after being "freed" from its "prison" -- It was probably banished to a distant Metaplane and somehow managed to return into the fold (possibly losing 2 Force points in the process)).

*snip*
Granted, though, Tutor's Force rating is 10 and not 12.  Still, the similarities are there.
Straight off, if a Free Spirit is overflowed back to it's native metaplane, it loses a point of magic.
Being beaten off by Arleesh, it wouldn't be stretching to advise the beating was so bad, it lost two ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: welldressedgent on <09-13-11/1829:13>

Won't players be suspicious if they see you reading from a book that says 'Bottled Demon' on the cover?
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Mason on <09-18-11/1620:09>

Given that the Idol acts a level 12 Power Focus (which, back in SR and SRII, raised a character's Magic Attribute (which, in turn, gave an additional number of dice to the spellcaster's Magic Pool -- dice that could be used for spellcasting or to resist Drain)), the effects of the Idol appear to be on par with the Tutor's power of Spirit Tap.
Edit: Typos and amendments

I still work Power foci that way, but I subject the increase to the augmented attribute maximum. Things is, the extra Magic isn't helpful to Drain. *grins evilly*
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Crimsondude on <09-18-11/2045:47>

Won't players be suspicious if they see you reading from a book that says 'Bottled Demon' on the cover?

That's why you get the Runner's Toolkit GM Screen. +4 to Stealth Tests and 6/6 Hardened Armor.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-18-11/2047:29>
Advantage to PDF print-outs.  Three-Ring Binders don't have covers players can read.  ;D  *Pets my laser printer*
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-19-11/0027:21>
By the way, just got my dirty little paws on a Droid 3 this week. Means I can now moderate the forums when stuck in traffic.

What does this have to do with this thread? I can also access my home wireless network from the phone, so if I have the laptop up on the big screen tv for maps/Hero Lab/cool graphics, I can still access and open my PDFs through QuickOffice on the phone for a quick reference. The only thing better would be getting the datajack and simsense.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-19-11/0032:42>
I'd still rather a datajack and simsense.  ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-19-11/0037:01>
I'd still rather a datajack and simsense.  ;)
Baby steps, CanRay. Baby steps.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-19-11/0038:53>
Bah!  Run before you can crawl, it's the only way to keep ahead of them!

Of course, I'd get in even more trouble than I already do considering that I'd literally be typing at "Speed of Thought"...  ;D
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-19-11/0143:04>
Bah!  Run before you can crawl, it's the only way to keep ahead of them!

Of course, I'd get in even more trouble than I already do considering that I'd literally be typing at "Speed of Thought"...  ;D
Especially since you'd be typing your internal monologue... ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <09-21-11/1851:14>
Dear lord, the crazy that goes on in my brain is frequently disturbing to others.  I can't imagine sharing it with the net.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-21-11/1919:45>
Dear lord, the crazy that goes on in my brain is frequently disturbing to others.  I can't imagine sharing it with the net.
I can.

If I have to suffer...  EVERYONE SUFFERS WITH ME!
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Longshot23 on <09-22-11/0832:47>
CanRay,

Spoken like a true cult leader  ;)  :o
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-22-11/1215:44>
You need charisma and social ability to be a cult leader.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Longshot23 on <09-23-11/0610:58>
<Gasp> You mean . . . you don't have . . . you're not . . . .

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :o  ::)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-23-11/0918:48>
I'm just a bitter, bitter man who worked tech support for far too long.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Longshot23 on <09-23-11/1238:29>
That should make you a tech support Face . . .
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-23-11/1645:57>
Toxic Magician of the Tech Support School of Magic Face.

What part of "EVERYONE SUFFERS WITH ME!" did you not understand?  :P
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: FastJack on <09-23-11/2010:00>
Toxic Magician of the Tech Support School of Magic Face.

What part of "EVERYONE SUFFERS WITH ME!" did you not understand?  :P
Don't worry, he's actually pretty harmless, just toss him some play-doh and legos every once in a while and he won't bother anyone. ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-23-11/2130:31>
I'll knock down the voice mail system so that it's an infinite loop of choices and you can never get a metahuman being!  Then I'll rearrange the manual so that it looks like a horrible translation from Japanese-to-Russian-to-Korean-to-English, and then...

....

Ooooooooooooooooo, Lego Technics!
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Longshot23 on <09-24-11/0626:32>
We gotta get CanRay into a good headspace . . .
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: TheWanderingJewels on <09-26-11/1824:01>
And being a Tech monkey...a few songs..

Starfishies
The Sex Pistols - Anarchy in The UK

Right, Click, Hahahahaha

I am your tech support
I am your last resort
Don't know what you've done
But I know how to fix it
Don't' wanna rebuild registry

Cause I do not like starfishies
No caps lock key

Starfishes in the USA
They call me sometimes, daily
Don't care about time
Call the data line
My futile scream cuz there's no more cream

Cause I, I do not like starfishies
New York City!

How many techs said "Can't fix what you want"?
Mess with the best
Die like the rest
I have no M. C. P.
I use common sense

Cause I do not like starfishies
Is there any more coffee?

You have MCSE?
Or are you a CNE?
Or are you a DBA?
I thought you were a starfishie
and just another (l)user
Another pot of black coffee.

I do not like starfishies
And I do not like starfishies
And I do not like starfishies
You know what i mean?
And I wanna kill all starfish
Again I'm pissed
DESTROY!


Kiss from a Starfish
(Originally Kiss from a Rose, by Seal)
There used to be a decent Techie who sat next to me
He became the ideal I wanted to be

Truth is that talent's what kills, not the LART
But did you know that by the phone
My eyes become large
And the truth that you told can't be seen?

Baby, I compare you to a kiss from the Black Widow death
Ooh, the more I hear from you, the stranger it sounds yeah
Now that your lie's in full bloom
My head hits the dent in my desk

There's just so much a tech can tell you
So much he can say
You remain my death grip, my starfish, my pain

Baby, To me, you're like a growing
cancer that I can't deny
Won't you tell me, is that healthy, baby?

But did you know that by the phone
My eyes become large
And the truth that you told can't be seen?

Baby, I compare you to a kiss from the Black Widow death
Ooh, the more I hear from you, the stranger it sounds yeah
Now that your lie's in full bloom
My head hits the dent in my desk

I've been kissed by the starfish of Death
I've been kissed by the starfish of Death
And if I should LART, will it all go away?

There's just so much a tech can tell you
So much he can say
You remain my death grip, my starfish, my pain

Baby, To me, you're like a growing
cancer that I can't deny
Won't you tell me, is that healthy, baby?

But did you know that by the phone
My eyes become large
And the truth that you told can't be seen?

Baby, I compare you to a kiss from the Black Widow death
Ooh, the more I hear from you, the stranger it sounds yeah
Now that your lie's in full bloom
My head hits the dent in my desk

....
........

............

I hate them all
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <09-26-11/2153:55>
I thought the idea was to get me into a good headspace.   :'(
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: The Wyrm Ouroboros on <09-28-11/0412:52>
Always wanted to play Bottled Demon; my gaming group way back when in Laffalot, IN ran it when I wasn't there.  Arleesh became a major group Johnson.

Now I just want to find myself a GM so I can solo my biosamurai adept through the modules and all.  Imagine deliberately trying to win a Super Brawl by personally-delivered wipeout ...
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: DarkLloyd on <10-21-11/1640:49>
Quote
2009 Shadowrun Tournament
Idol Threats
Twenty years ago it gained the attention of two dragons, now it wants your attention. This year’s Gen Con tournament revels in Shadowrun’s twenty year history, while it manages to pack all new surprises into the mix. All teams advance, so plan on playing in both sessions on both Friday and Saturday Night.

Definitely linked to BD but would need work to be canon. A nice little trip down memory lane though. The tournament had a number of little tie-ins to earlier adventures.

Maybe they should publish it!  ;)

Any news on this Bull? Any chance that we will see a PDF of that tourney? I konw I'd buy it!
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: snowRaven on <12-10-11/0936:46>
Quote
2009 Shadowrun Tournament
Idol Threats
Twenty years ago it gained the attention of two dragons, now it wants your attention. This year’s Gen Con tournament revels in Shadowrun’s twenty year history, while it manages to pack all new surprises into the mix. All teams advance, so plan on playing in both sessions on both Friday and Saturday Night.

Definitely linked to BD but would need work to be canon. A nice little trip down memory lane though. The tournament had a number of little tie-ins to earlier adventures.

Maybe they should publish it!  ;)

Any news on this Bull? Any chance that we will see a PDF of that tourney? I konw I'd buy it!

Sorry for the necro, but yes...any news? My players would love (read: hate) that one  8)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Bull on <12-10-11/1222:03>
No luck on my end.  I'm not even sure who wrote that tournament.  I'll keep poking.

Bull
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: snowRaven on <12-10-11/1908:05>
Poking is good. Use a stick.

Keep sharpening it so you can poke deeper if you're not successful  ;D

(I'll see if I can find any info on writer, though I doubt it...)

Edit: Oh! And thank you so much for adding CMP 2010-02 to Silver Platter! It'll let my players build a much more solid connection to MacCallister before we start SRM4 - awesome surprise!
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: DarkLloyd on <12-10-11/1912:50>
Thanks Bull. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Lycus on <01-03-12/1856:08>
I know who the writer is, so Bull hit me with a message off the forums and I'll disclose the information to you and you can see what can be done by the higher-ups.

SS
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CanRay on <01-03-12/1950:45>
The only bottled demon I know is Demon Whiskey.  ;D

Hey, better the devil you know, right?  ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Red on <02-12-12/0244:19>
I've made a habit of running classic adventures for my runners, and Bottled Demon was easily one of their favorites. When they later ran Survival of the fittest, their previous work with Arleesh definitely worked in their favor. And later, in Double Take, they kidnapped Blackwing (especially satisfying after the trouble he caused them in both Bottled Demon and Dragon Hunt).

Though EarthDawn seems like a taboo topic, I always associated the Imps with the Horrors. Perhaps some remaining vestige of their imprints. I'm currently running an adventure during the Year of the Comet where the players are brought in to guard a ManaDyne digsite for naturally occurring Orichalcum. An Atlantean Foundation team comes to content the site, but both work together when they stumble upon a ruin beneath the vein. The ruin has some vague EarthDawn connections, but the special inspiration I got from ED was tainted orichalcum. No matter how things go, the miners are going to go paranormal psycho from the work, resulting in a last fight that brings Ghosts of Mars to mind.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: The_Gun_Nut on <02-12-12/1216:46>
There are minor Horrors called Eendwings that strongly resemble imps.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Bruce on <02-16-12/1924:37>
Bottled Demon was one of the first adventures I ran for my old (SR1) group; the street samurai trusted the shaman implicitly on any magical data after that adventure.  (The player running the shaman was spot on on what needed to be done; I'm going to avoid spoilers, though.)

BD and Universal Brotherhood were some of the best old adventures written.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: TheWanderingJewels on <03-08-12/1804:11>
Universial Brotherhood was pure, undiluted High Octane Nightmare Fuel for the players when they got the printout that came with it.

Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Mirikon on <03-08-12/1848:06>
Frak, I didn't read it until a couple months ago, and it was still scary as all hell!
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Parker on <03-08-12/2020:02>
Quick query.
What's the rules to update old adventures like 'BD[' for 4.0 if ya want to use it/them?  Just like the 3.0-4.0 transition table brought out by Catalyst Labs awhile back or more drastic? ;)
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Stry on <03-08-12/2134:44>
I am not sure but BD may be 2nd or even 1st editions.  There is not much of a change between 2nd and 3rd, but expect a lot more in 1st.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Black on <03-08-12/2204:23>
I am not sure but BD may be 2nd or even 1st editions.  There is not much of a change between 2nd and 3rd, but expect a lot more in 1st.

1st edition.  I lot of adventures were released with 1st edition including DNA DOD, Mecurical (which I ran with 4th edition rules recently), Harilquin (which I have run 3 of the missions with 4th edition), Bottle Demon, Dark Angle, the Brotherhood adventures, Project Hope and more.

Good times, good times.

Things you will need to consider:
* Convert any characters into 4th Edition.  This can be the most challenging step, as the balance (in my humble opinion) has changed somewhat and 1st edition enemies can come accross slightly... weak.  The grunts are easier, just choose an equivilent from the grunts section in the core rule book.
* Matrix is the second biggest challenge.  My approach is to take the 'concept' and rejig it to 4th edition, so that the feel and challenge remains the same, but you use 4th edition rules.  Unwired has been very useful for this.
* Tech and magic.  Things have changed, and what was uncommon then is common and standard now.  Which is why 1st bad guys get nailed a bit easily by 4th ed player characters.  So you may need to rework things here. 
* Setting.  These adventures are set in the 2050s and things have changed.  Fortunately, most the adventures, at least in 1st edition, they are not world changing runs and thus the overal metaplot of the setting won't prevent conversion.  A big exception are the adventures which use the Universal Brotherhood...

Now, in most cases, it almost possible to run the adventures a bit 'seat of the pants' style, dealing with issues as they come up.  But I would recommend that you convert characters, at least the main enemies... and then beef them up a bit. 
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: crisses on <03-09-12/0901:50>
I'm actually running my players in 2050 using SR4 rules and the old adventures translated.  We just did Mercurial (will eventually be doing BD too). 

You *can* use SR3->SR4 translation for characters -- it works, but as mentioned it leaves them a little under-powered, so just beef them a little towards what they're supposed to doing.  I'd only worry about those you expect to engage with in combat -- others you might throw some extra knowledge skills to, but unless the characters are going to interact with an NPC extensively, their stats matter less than your ability to give them a personality and bring them to life.

Spoiler contains info on Mercurial...
In the case of Perianwyr (in Mercurial), I actually toned him down a few points from an out-of-the-book Western Dragon on the pretense that "he's a young dragon." A dragon as a human's sidekick indeed!  What is this, Pern?

Perianwyr used spirits & concealment, then went after the players at their hideout with the back-up corp police per the book.  He fried Max Foley, set the roof on fire, then started peeling the warehouse roof back like a lid on a sardine can.  Perianwyr called the retreat when the players used Mob Control on his back-up squad and had a few fire their AVMs in his direction (they missed -- widely).  That's when the dragon decided that his employers would not want to risk this special asset trying to get Maria, and he fled.  My tactics, but the book made clear to me that Perianwyr was not there in a risk-all position -- that's why the squadron was there with him, to ensure his retreat.  Morgan & Perianwyr are still alive to pester the players another day....


Updating old adventures also works with some help from folk who have translated SR1&2 archetypes to SR4, and the canon SR4 goons, etc.  You can steal character stats from real characters from the forums.   I haven't had any real troubles.

On the "old style" matrix -- system maps is something SR4 dodges, and it's actually NOT realistic.  Within a corporation's system, not everything should be wireless.  Wireless is a liability for a corporation.  So while SR4 touts that "everything has become wireless" it self-contradicts when it says that most corporations rely on hard-wired systems on-site to keep them from being as vulnerable to hackers.  I'd say use the old maps for systems -- note that Scan Nearby doesn't work on a wired network (you may need Analyze -> detect hidden access to another node instead) and only the SANs and perhaps cameras, sensors, perhaps "i/o terminals" (employee commlinks or desk-side workstations).... (and the nodes they connect to of course) are wireless.  There's little-to-no reason datastores would be wireless, for example.  The CPU is a master-control node, OR if you'd prefer, it could be an executive system &/or honeypot meant to burn intruders?

Some of the earlier adventures have delightful sculpting on their systems....if your player doesn't reality-filter it away.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: CitizenJoe on <03-09-12/0913:20>
That has me wondering.  How effective would it be to have illusory AVM's (even a specialized spell) that intentionally missing the target and blowing up something in the background?  That seems like a nice opening gambit to get people to back off without any legal ramifications.
Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: TheWanderingJewels on <03-09-12/1143:25>
for BD, it'sa F12 general power focus to use and abuse as the character wills.....but the thing has a price for it's use.

Title: Re: Bottled Demon
Post by: Wolfboy on <03-13-12/0849:46>
E-readers make it even easier