Shadowrun
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At first, I couldn't stop laughing. Then I realized... they are fucking serious!
http://www.chick.com/READING/TRACTS/0046/0046_01.ASP
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At first, I couldn't stop laughing. Then I realized... they are fucking serious!
http://www.chick.com/READING/TRACTS/0046/0046_01.ASP
Wait, you never saw it before?
Welcome to the club. Here's your book of spells and the blood sacrifices are every Friday at 9:30 pm (can't miss Smallville).
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I still had to laugh at this. Stupidity and ignorance are so rampent.30 years of gaming, saying Hastor on a regular basis and I have never once seen anything like this. For someone to hang themselves over a game like in the comic... That person was unstabel anyway and would have killed themselves over anything like a boyfriend breaking up, getting a C on their report card what ever.
You have to love Propaganda! Not only that but there is no way to laugh at the stupidity of their cartoon!
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At first, I couldn't stop laughing. Then I realized... they are fucking serious!
http://www.chick.com/READING/TRACTS/0046/0046_01.ASP
Wait, you never saw it before?
I'm german, we got rid of religious people who are THAT kind of fanatic a good while ago... Over here we only get branded as possible amok massacre candidates for playing "violent" computer games...
But thanks for the book. How long do the sacrifices usually take? I have Shadowrun on Friday about once a month and we like to start early.
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If you want to delve a little deeper into this
go and check out B.A.D.D.
...Ok just checked it can't be found that way
Check for " bothered about D&D "
He who dances in Dark Dungeons
Medicineman
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I'm german, we got rid of religious people who are THAT kind of fanatic a good while ago...
Wow, you went there, didn't you? ;)
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Well, it IS commonly known history.
Medicine Man, no, I dont think I want to go any further on that subject ;)
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Knowing the History means having a Chance of NOT repeating the same Mistakes
with a philosophical Dance
Medicineman
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Ok, have these people ever seen what really goes on during a game? Mostly its lot of BSing, complaining, consumption of junk food, ego-tripping, and whining. Most of the people I have seen over the years quite frankly wouldnt know a spell book from a sudoku book. If DnD is the path to some kind of "real" power, oh crap we as a race are truly screwed.
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Ok, have these people ever seen what really goes on during a game?
They don't need(nor want ) to know
all they want is someone to point a Finger at
HougH!
Medicineman
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True, but I have found that the best way to deal with most of the crap like this is to ignore it. Sure, its good for a chuckle, but if one lets stuff like this get to them, its only empowering them even more.
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Me ?
No, :) I'm "double Lucky"
all my Neighbours,acquaintances and friends are either Players themselves or neutral about it at all(I'm living in the Rhine RuhrArea so religious Bigottery is not that frequent here
and in 25 Years of Gaming I'm also pretty good at explaining the Games to Outsider without it sounding too...Nerdy
with a pretty good Dance
Medicineman
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I'm bavarian, I'm lucky if people dont grab pitchforks and torches when I mention my P&P and LARP hobbies ;D
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You gotta understand that this particular piece of ... artistic expression was released 26 years ago. Dungeons and Dragons had a BADD rap and people were scared of us. Ahh... the power we had (not really).
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From what I can see on a lot of US religious communities websites, not that much has changed in the last 26 years ;)
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Yeah..... Don't pay attention to those sites. They're a minority. A vocal minority, but a minority nonetheless.
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You gotta understand that this particular piece of ... artistic expression was released 26 years ago. Dungeons and Dragons had a BADD rap and people were scared of us. Ahh... the power we had (not really).
Yeah we did have an undeserved bad rep back then didn't we Fast!
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I still don't get how they thought geeks would hurt them. I mean, we just wound up making all the stuff that you "need" in life now.
Huh... Guess we did end up owning everyone's souls -- through cell phone contracts, video games and internet networking... ;)
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Even though Dark Towers is 26 Years old
I remember (only a Few Years ago, this Century definitely !) an article in the Watchtower
(Religious Pamphlet from Jehovas Witnesses here in Germany)
They copied an "Anti-D&D Article" from, the 80's Word by Word only exchanging D&D with DSA ("The Dark Eye" biggest Fantasy Roleplaying Game here)
with an exchangeable Dance
Medicineman
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Interesting bit o' trivia (http://www.fecundity.com/pmagnus/darkdung.html)
Make fun of D&D all you want, but you can pry Lord of the Rings from my cold, dead hands.
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in 25 Years of Gaming I'm also pretty good at explaining the Games to Outsider without it sounding too...Nerdy
That got a lot easier for me when I realized that pretty much any hobby looks nerdy if you're not involved. Consider the following real world examples -
Model railroads - painstakingly building miniature terrain so you can flip a switch and watch a toy train drive along it.
Civil War reenactment - Dressing up in itchy wool uniforms, living in a tent, pretending to get shot and glamorizing an era when medicine involved leeches and sawing off limbs without anasthetic.
Fly Fishing - Hand tying tiny feather things to hooks so you can put on rubber pants and throw your carefully constructed toys in the water
Scrapbooking - I don't actually know a damn thing about this, but it just seems nerdy.
They all have an appeal to the people who do them, all require a big time investment and all make you look pretty silly to people not involved.
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I still don't get how they thought geeks would hurt them. I mean, we just wound up making all the stuff that you "need" in life now.
Huh... Guess we did end up owning everyone's souls -- through cell phone contracts, video games and internet networking... ;)
"The Geek will inherit the Earth"
Of course, few people want to believe that this former high school nerd now has the title of "Deputy" in front of his name. I still love seeing old classmates reactions when I show them my badge.
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Yeah, we have a bit of a problem with those kind in Poland. But they're more involved in politicsal bickering now. Though the games we play are evil. Just as evil as pokemon
I've red a few articles of the 'dark dungeon' kind written by polish fanatics. One of them involver RPG's along with the mentioned pokemon. And that specific priest (with a doctorate) seriously was analyzing a japanese cartoon for slavic-pagan elements (like Prof. Oak being a symbol of the lithuanian sacred-tree-worshipping from the medieval era). That's when i stopped, because it's not funny anymore.
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You just gotta love Chick tracts. If only playing D&D really gave us magic powers....I would totally Magic Missile the shit out of the jackass that drew that comic.
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You just gotta love Chick tracts. If only playing D&D really gave us magic powers....I would totally Magic Missile the shit out of the jackass that drew that comic.
Or the guy who cut me off on the way to work, various people AT work, the work building in general, anyone in general who deserves it....
Nah, power dosen't corrupt, not at all!
;D
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Power corrupts. Total power... is even MORE fun! <c>Simon (BofH)
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That's not even the dumbest or craziest Chick Tract I've ever seen. Those things are hilarious. If you find the rambling, misinformed, and insane hilarious. Which I totally do.
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Thought you guys would like to see this. The Escapist is, in general, a great resource for serious and lighthearted looks at how we as geeks are handled by mundanes. Once you slog through the point and counterpoint of this crazy Chick tract, check out the first link at the bottom, it is a 25th year reunion of the cast, VERY FUNNY.
http://www.theescapist.com/darkdungeons.htm (http://www.theescapist.com/darkdungeons.htm)
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I still don't get how they thought geeks would hurt them. I mean, we just wound up making all the stuff that you "need" in life now.
Huh... Guess we did end up owning everyone's souls -- through cell phone contracts, video games and internet networking... ;)
Then the Megacorps came in and bought us all out. As of right now, two geeks own people's souls via their companies, maybe three if Google counts. The rest of the souls sucked out by technology went to big faceless, non-geek corps.
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One thing you have to understand about Mr. Chick and his pamphlets (he's done quite a few different ones, over the years) is that he never lets something as trivial as facts or information get in the way of his rants.
Kind of like political pundits do today.
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Yeah, Chick is basically a very enthusiastic evangelical propagandist. He hated non-evangelical Christians about as much as he hated gamers, Satanists, and Wiccans.
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Fixed some stuff.
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Correction: Chick hates anyone that has a thought that strays outside of what he says is/should be. I can't imagine a less fun guy.
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I don't know about that. I keep every religious tract I'm given in a desk drawer and Chick's are far and away the most fun to read.
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When I was a teenager, I had a friend whose mother actually believed stuff like this Dark Dungeons comic. She once commented to me that she could "feel the evil emanating from those books." Being the industrious little rabble rouser that I was (having once been sent to the corner in 3rd or 4th grade for asking the nun during religious class why the church asks for money during mass in regards to the lesson of the day, which was the give onto cesar message), I hatched a little experiment to test her claim. I took my DnD books and wrapped them in religious book covers. The next time I was at my friends house his mother saw the covers and commented that it was good that were reading good wholesome christian books. I then asked her why she couldn't feel the evil coming from the books and showed her the content. She flipped out yelling and screaming and I was no longer permitted to visit. Still, it was good fun conducting my little experiment. ;D ::)
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Epic ;D
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Hah! Nice.
A friend of mine had a mom like that too. He had to hide all his D&D books and we could only play when she wasn't home or at someone else's house. Thankfully, my mom couldn't care less. I also had a teacher at the (religious) school I went to try telling us how evil they were. Whatever, my wizard was chaotic good. Yes, a chaotic good necromancer. ;D
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Well, there was a time when i laughed loud during a 'religion class' (yes, we have those during elementary, middle and high school, this is Poland... =='), when we had to watch a video in which D&D was portrayed as evil and work of the devil, along with heavy metal, and stuff like he-man. The priest who was teaching probably hated me before, but i got a lot of points for explaining to my class why that movie is full of crap, and why people who believe in something like that are idiots.
The effect? Well, we had a class trip that June. And i ended up with GMing a chaotic little game of Kryształy Czasu (not quite the local DnD clone you would expect - the rules are so complicated you need a math grade to even understand them) for half of my class (thirteen people, age 16-17). It was fun. A lot of stupid things came up, but it was fun...
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Yeah, it is always fun to mess with the heads of the ignorant, and if where really lucky somebody just might learn something from it, like in your example Kot. But mostly, it is juuuuust a whooooole lot of fun. Still, now-a-days I tend not to engage in such shenenagins, because as one of my philosophy professors once said, if you are going to undermine someones world view to such an extent, you best be prepaired to stay for the rebuilding of a new world view or you will do more harm than good, as you will most likely leave such an individual shattered by exiting the process early.
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I'm in my early-mid thirties, and every Sunday I still game. My mother-in-law keeps bitching that "I dont spend enough time with my family" because I spend maybe 5-6 hours every weekend with my friends of 10+ years (yeah, we gamed that long togeather). She once asked me why someone of "my age" keeps doing it. Why? Because it's fun, and like all hobbies, helps keep me from going insane from always having to deal with "real life". My "real life" is often dealing with the scum of the earth, risking getting shot/maimed/hurt every time I clock in, and all the "reality" my dearly beloved and her family likes to watch on TV.
After having to deal with "Reality", I want nothing BUT.
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Mystic, someone should thank you for that. So thank you. Even if i live on the other side of the World. I just got my scrawny ass saved by guys like you a few days ago, and thanks to that i got away with a few bruises and no broken bones, from what would otherwise be a non-provoked fit of drunken rage. And i don't think i could getaway with just minor damage from two primitive brutes wanting to vent of their anger by beating the crap out of a random passer-by, which i had the bad luck to be.
Have a good game, man. :)
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I'll be 30 in a few months time and that makes me the youngest in my current group. As long as there are dice, we will hold up that flag! ;D
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Ha! 30? You're a young'n. When I was 30, my RP group had to carve out dice out of cattle bones. ;D
Seriously, though, I think RPG's are going to be a lot like video games in that respect. The generation that's had them since early childhood isn't going to set them aside entirely so they're slowly replacing such other socially acceptable hobbies as building model trains and Civil War reenactment.
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<laughs> I feel young, for the first time in years. :>
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Happy to be of service ;) I accept Grasovka as payment ;D
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Mystic, someone should thank you for that. So thank you. Even if i live on the other side of the World. I just got my scrawny ass saved by guys like you a few days ago, and thanks to that i got away with a few bruises and no broken bones, from what would otherwise be a non-provoked fit of drunken rage. And i don't think i could getaway with just minor damage from two primitive brutes wanting to vent of their anger by beating the crap out of a random passer-by, which i had the bad luck to be.
Have a good game, man. :)
No worries, we "scrawny-asses" need to stick togeather. 8)
Just I decided to get a bit bigger, and a lot meaner. Still, a lot of people are amazed at how I can analize and adapt to situations. Thank you gaming!
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Well, gaming prepared me to last 5 seconds at least. Guess who countered the first strike (though my elbow still hurts). :P
Heh. I can laugh now, and i did laugh back then, even if it hurt. I think i really entertained those policemen with that.
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This damn thread rekindled my obsession with Jack Chick and his insane little comics. (Curse you, Doc Chaos. Curse you!) I'd almost forgotten just how out of touch, ill-informed, and flat out insane the man really is. His "sources" for much of his information on RPGs, paganism, the occult, Catholicism, and Satanism are hilarious. They're very often actual crazy people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Todd_%28occultist%29). Amazing.
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Clarifications and fixes.
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Monky, now, i live in Poland. According to the statistics, over 95% people here is roman-catholic. That makes a lot of crazy people included. :D
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I don't think Jack Chick would be very popular in Poland. Hell, he isn't very popular here in the States. Except as a target of satire and mockery, of course.
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(Curse you, Doc Chaos. Curse you!)
Get in line, take a number, have a cookie ;D
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Monkey, we have people worse than chick. I could give you some links to sites (more than a few) that depict RPG's and general gaming culture as evil satanist cults. :P
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(Curse you, Doc Chaos. Curse you!)
Get in line, take a number, have a cookie ;D
I only work for Chocolate chip...and it better be fresh and soft, none of this hard as a hockey puck crud! Oatmeal Raisen is an acceptable alternative, but try and slide me some Peanut Butter...I've killed men for less.
;D
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I don't handle that, sorry. I had to outsource line management a while ago when it got to crowded, took up all my time just to get that organized.
But I'll put in a good word for you :)
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Monkey, we have people worse than chick. I could give you some links to sites (more than a few) that depict RPG's and general gaming culture as evil satanist cults. :P
Chick isn't the worst here either, Kot. Just the most famous. Some of those nutbags think just reading, or even opening or holding, the books opens doors to Satanism, demonic possession, and worse. Thankfully, they're mostly marginalized crazies that are largely ignored.
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We have several "devout Christians" at my work. My two favorites are "Tom" & "Dave".
Dave, is to me the pinicle of what a Christian should be. He teaches the way by example. He his cheritable, kind, non judgemental. He truly cares for his fellow man and preys for them when they are down and helps with words of support and acts of kindness. I respect Dave emensely.
Tom, on the other hand, I had challenged once to not speak to me if he was going to quote scripture. He didn't speak to me for a week. He says it's his mission to save my soul. I asked him, "Isn't that God's job? What if his job for me is to save YOUR soul" on one occasion he was telling me of a relative who moved out of his parents home, and wished him to have good Christian neighbors. I aske "how about me?" He answered, "Well your wife is Christian"... "No Me not my wife." "But she is an extention of you." "Boy niice to see how you've judged me." I have councelled (very painfully when they throw you accross a room I might add) drug addicts to clean up and finish their educations, I have aided homeless "Biker Bitches" by giving them a place to stay and only asked they help keep my place clean, I'm no saint ok but I have a charitable heart & a protective nature... My wife... not so much(not trying to put her down here ok ;) ). But Tom didn't care she was a christian so she was better than me in his eyes!
The world needs More Dave's and less Tom's if you ask me.
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/signed
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+1
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That's pretty much like many people in the world. They judge by label or "state of being" something instead of one's actions. For them, what you are is more important than what you do.
These people support things like state-sponsored health care and nobility (kings and what-not) because obviously these higher-ups know better...just because.
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I tried to make a point about religion and faith, but found I could not do so without coming dangerously close to either breaking the rules or possibly bashing someones religion, even though I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to write a generaly-non offensive post.
But, I still feel compelled after Usda's post (great BTW) to say something because I also have had to deal with this not just in my professional life, but in my personal as well. Without going into details, I will simply say I will always trust in someone who has faith, as in TRUE faith, rather than someone who practices a religion.
I have seen faith keep people going when they have lost everything. I have seen faith literally save someone's life. I have seen people of TRUE faith do truely amazing things with nothing more than a few simple words. I have seen faith change a person for the better when everyone else has given up on them.
I have also seen the flip side, where dogma was more important than basic human decency. 'Nuff said about that because this was where I kept going into dangerous territory.
Point is, I would want a person with faith at my back every time other than someone who just gives lip service for means other than what faith is supposed to provide...
And to quote Forrest "That's all I have to say about that".
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And I believe in Christmas!
Seriously, 17 days until Christmas and I get the job offer that gets me out of the cold, cold north and back to the lesser cold east.
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And I believe in Christmas!
Seriously, 17 days until Christmas and I get the job offer that gets me out of the cold, cold north and back to the lesser cold east.
Huzzah, hooray for less cold!
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Of course I believe in christmas! IT GETS ME COOKIES!!!! :D
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Of course I believe in christmas! IT GETS ME COOKIES!!!! :D
Because of the holiday season, I am instituting a tempoary allowance of "Christmas" cookies as acceptable payment. However said form of payment must be in the form of certified Christmas iconography: Trees, Snowmen, Santi Clause (plural form, it really is...I think), and or Stars. Gingerbread will also be accepted, provided it is given in limited amounts, in no less than a 4 to 1 ratio with said Christmas cookies.
For those of the Jewish faith; Star of David and or minorah cookies are acceptable but other kosher treats will be handled on a case by case basis.
All other holiday treats are open for negotiation.
8)
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And off course anyone can just listen to lovecraftian solistice celebration songs. You really gotta love the US for that.
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On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to meeeeeeee, a brand new SCV!
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Wait, the SC1 one, with a non-politically-correct worker inside?
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On the first day of Christmas, my true love gave to meeeeeeee, a brand new SCV!
Marine Corps vesion sung for the 5th MarDiv CO by Echo Co 5th Marines Christmas '86
1st Day My CO gave to me: An ALICE pack full of duce gear
2nd Day My CO gave to me: Two boots for Humping
3rd Day My CO gave to me: Three Office Hours
4th Day My CO gave to me: Four Bleeding blisters
5th Day My CO gave to me: Five M.R.E.s
6th Day My CO gave to me: Six Bitchin' Corpsmen
7th Day My CO gave to me: Seven more drops
8th Day My CO gave to me: Eight heat Casualties
9th Day My CO gave to me: Nine M-16s
10th Day My CO gave to me: Ten HeloOps
11th Day My CO gave to me: Eleven Tracer rounds
12th Day My CO gave to me: Twelve feet of rope
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I see there's a big military presence here...
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Wait, the SC1 one, with a non-politically-correct worker inside?
Since the song was introduced WAY before the first announcement of SC2: yes ;)
@Usda
Can't. Stop. Laughing!
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We sang that to our Bat CO made him LHAO. Has been much fun for me ever since! ;D
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So... finally managed to be able to breath again... what's an M.R.E.?
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Meal, Ready-to-Eat. What used to be known as field rations.
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You mean Meals Rejected by Ethiopians?
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I have no idea what you've eaten, but MRE's are absolutely delicious. If I could buy some online and take 'em camping or fix 'em for game night I would jump on that in a heartbeat. The heartbeat after I get money, of course.
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I dont know about US rations, but german army rations are really good stuff.
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Nom, nom, nom.
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I have a friend who's a military fanboy. He shared a US MRE with us once. Yuck. I didn't even try it, it smelled bad enough.
Maybe German MREs are better. Well, they have to be better. :P
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Nom, nom, nom.
Here ya go (http://www.mreinfo.com/us/mre/buying-mres.html). The how to, not the where from, anyway.
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I have no idea what you've eaten, but MRE's are absolutely delicious. If I could buy some online and take 'em camping or fix 'em for game night I would jump on that in a heartbeat. The heartbeat after I get money, of course.
I don't know if I'd say "absolutely delicious," but they are better than people might think. I know I've got several cases here at the house as part of my "just in case" stores, and if they were absolute trash I certainly wouldn't.
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It must have been the two or three I had, because they were yummy.
But, then again, I've eaten things I'm quite sure were non-standard even for college dorm students and been satisfied. So, I'm not sure I'm the best judge of such things.
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I dont know about US rations, but german army rations are really good stuff.
Some of them are really good, but the Franks & Beans one is known as "the Four Fingers of Death".
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I do love MRE's (except ham and cheese omelette) but the only places I can get them they're more expensive than fast food. If I'm spending ten bucks on a meal anyway, it can damn well come cooked with a soda.
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Chicken al king was my favorite my most hated was the Orange cake... complete with rines!
We refered to them as Mysteries (Mr E.)
Some were good others aweful I am so glad those days are over! ;)
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Chicken w/Salsa was what I lived on in Basic, loved those M&Ms.
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Heh. I've just checked in with my friend. And he's selling them on auctions, as he gog around 30 cases. Didn't say from where, but i've checked things, and he's making a 200-400% profit on those, depending how much did they cost him. Well, we have a lot of military fanboys in Poland, probably because our military is a laugh.
Especially when it was still mandatory to serve nine months, even for less-than-50kg students like me. Heh. Maybe - just maybe - now that it's volontary it will improve.
But we hae a few good units still, like GROM, or FORMOZA. I had the opportunity to chat with a few guys from the latter in a restaurant, and i was amazed - most of them played RPG's. :P
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In the summer of 08, I was working for a private EMS company briefly after being laid off. Used to work for them as an EMT before becoming a law dog. Anyway, when Hurricanes Ike and Gustov came through, FEMA subcontracted us. We went down to help out and at many of our staging areas, it was pretty premitive. MREs were the only thing i ate for a week. Most were actually pretty good, and I developed a taste for the "chocolate drink". Only thing I DIDNT like was the chicken and rice with salsa..
Fun tiimes.