Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: beastman420 on <03-20-14/2127:14>
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yes i was wanting to know if the qi focus tattos in the cbr or are they just the most common .
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yes i was wanting to know if the qi focus tattos in the cbr or are they just the most common .
"cbr"?
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Part of your question seems to be missing. Anyway, the core rulebook states that qi foci can be a body modification (like a tattoo, or a piercing), but they can also be an object like other foci (like an amulet, or a ring, or a rod). It's really up to you.
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oh sorry was typing on my phone i was thinking to try both body modification and item foci
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oh sorry was typing on my phone i was thinking to try both body modification and item foci
AH!!! Much more sense now :D (Damn those phones... so handy.. so hard to type on)
Basically Qi foci have the special advantage of being a tattoo, and thus you never have to worry about being pick pocketed, or dropping it.....
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If, however, you want to make sure people won't kidnap you and harvest your skin, you can use an item for the focus. :P
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if they cant see them dont know i have them ill be ok
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If, however, you want to make sure people won't kidnap you and harvest your skin, you can use an item for the focus. :P
Preeeeeeeetty sure you can't transfer tattoo, though.
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If, however, you want to make sure people won't kidnap you and harvest your skin, you can use an item for the focus. :P
Preeeeeeeetty sure you can't transfer tattoo, though.
" I got just the focus for you Mr. RHat. A Qi hankie! "
"... this hankie feels funny, like leather, but not.."
"Well, it's human skin. He had to cut it off the original owner. Don't worry he won't be looking for it where he is now. And at $10 grand, it's a bargain!"
****
yea... not so much for me either :(
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I still miss the old days when you could cast spells from astral and ground them into an active focus.
That was honestly the first thing i thought of when i read about QI- tattoos ;D
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I still miss the old days when you could cast spells from astral and ground them into an active focus.
That was honestly the first thing i thought of when i read about QI- tattoos ;D
Baeeeeh
Grouning turned Players into sad Pandas.
I'm happy it extincted in SR3
with an offtopic Dance
Medicineman
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Seems perfectly reasonable to be able to harvest other people's tatto-foci; Nameless One from Planescape Torment stylee!
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What if you get shot/stabbed/whatever in a body part covered by such tattoo? Wouldn't it destroy the focus?
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I would assume the mana in the tattoo is still present, but that's a good question.
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What if you get shot/stabbed/whatever in a body part covered by such tattoo? Wouldn't it destroy the focus?
A) You only get shot at a specific Body Part with an aimed shot
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No it won't .Same with a Cybermember ! If You do an aimed shot at a Cyberarm you don't destroy the Cyberarm you only cause Damage.
This May be different in the upcoming Run and Gun but at present time you don't destroy Qi Focus nor Cyberarm
JahtaHow
Medicineman
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Seems perfectly reasonable to be able to harvest other people's tatto-foci; Nameless One from Planescape Torment stylee!
I LURV that game! Nice to see someone else reference it.
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What if you get shot/stabbed/whatever in a body part covered by such tattoo? Wouldn't it destroy the focus?
There are no rules for hitting specific body parts, not even with Called Shots.
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What if you get shot/stabbed/whatever in a body part covered by such tattoo? Wouldn't it destroy the focus?
There are no rules for hitting specific body parts, not even with Called Shots.
This is true and good but only for so long
'cause Run & Gun Preview 3 tells a different Story ;)
called shots to Ears & Ancles
with an aimed Dance
Medicineman
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What if you get shot/stabbed/whatever in a body part covered by such tattoo? Wouldn't it destroy the focus?
There are no rules for hitting specific body parts, not even with Called Shots.
This is true and good but only for so long
'cause Run & Gun Preview 3 tells a different Story ;)
called shots to Ears & Ancles
with an aimed Dance
Medicineman
Indeed, but the purpose of those isn't actually greater damage in the first place.
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You know that and I know that :)
but I'm sure that at some tables there will be exactly this discussion :
" If I hit a specific Bodypart with a called Shot (to the Ear f.E.) will It cause any ingame effect (apart from the Crunch) like destroying a Tattoo, Cyberware or maybe a trodenet or Earplug" ,etc.
and If the Gm tells his Player : " naaah, your called shot is just for this (crunchy) special effect. It does nothing else.
You hit your enemies ear so he looses Initiative but you don't destroy the Earplug he's wearing"
Well thats kind of hard to believe. Don't you think ?
He who has to dance to work now
Medicineman
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You know that and I know that :)
but I'm sure that at some tables there will be exactly this discussion :
" If I hit a specific Bodypart with a called Shot (to the Ear f.E.) will It cause any ingame effect (apart from the Crunch) like destroying a Tattoo, Cyberware or maybe a trodenet or Earplug" ,etc.
and If the Gm tells his Player : " naaah, your called shot is just for this (crunchy) special effect. It does nothing else.
You hit your enemies ear so he looses Initiative but you don't destroy the Earplug he's wearing"
Well thats kind of hard to believe. Don't you think ?
He who has to dance to work now
Medicineman
Wasn't the max damage for that shot basically nil? It seemed like the effect was more the pressure wave than the ear being grazed.
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but thats not the point ;)
The Point is that People expect (rightfully ImO) a kind of ....collateral damage.
If I shoot at the Guys Hand there should be an Effect to his Glove. If I shoot his Foot, there should be an effect to his Shoe.
If I hit his Ear, what about his Earplug etc.
with an effective Dance
Medicineman
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Check the Location, Location, Location section in Run&Gun for rules on the exact effects. Remember, Shadowrun doesn't do the whole hit-location thing really. A piece of armor that has armored legs added to them raises your armor in general, not only when your legs are targeted. The same for Helmets, knee-protectors, shirts, gloves, etc. Inside combat it doesn't go aside from what's in the rules, outside combats you can torture people all you like.
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Remember, Shadowrun doesn't do the whole hit-location thing really. A piece of armor that has armored legs added to them raises your armor in general, not only when your legs are targeted.
You don't need to explain this to me
I know that :)
(I've known this for appr. 15 Years )
And I appreciate these rules I even endorse/advocate it to New SR Players
But (But ! ) I estimate that a lot of (new) Players
expect an appropriate Ingame secondary effect from a CALLED SHOT .
If there is an exact location (Ear,Foot,Hand) that you can shoot at and hit, then there is( or should be) an exact collateral Damage
HokaHey
Medicineman
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Which will be in Location, Location, Location. And unless that has rules on destroying Qi Foci, then it won't be included. Also, the earbud wouldn't be destroyed, since as noted the shot is past the ear, not through it.
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sometimes I have the Impression that You don't WANT to understand me :(
But Nevermind, just forget it :-X
Hough!
Medicineman
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It'd overcomplicate things to go into every possible side-effect. "So yeah, this percentile die says the shot that just hit you managed to break your Wired Reflexes, so now they're going haywire and... *rolls* the electric current spikes and fries your brain." The collateral will be in the book, and frankly that's all you really need. Besides, we don't know if any called shots to hit the ear exist, so no reason to talk about consequences to those.
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I'd be willing to bet some people in this thread have a decent idea about what called shots are in store for us.
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sometimes I have the Impression that You don't WANT to understand me :(
But Nevermind, just forget it :-X
Hough!
Medicineman
I get you, don't worry :D
With an understanding jig
Reaver.
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Remember, Shadowrun doesn't do the whole hit-location thing really. A piece of armor that has armored legs added to them raises your armor in general, not only when your legs are targeted.
You don't need to explain this to me
I know that :)
(I've known this for appr. 15 Years )
And I appreciate these rules I even endorse/advocate it to New SR Players
But (But ! ) I estimate that a lot of (new) Players
expect an appropriate Ingame secondary effect from a CALLED SHOT .
If there is an exact location (Ear,Foot,Hand) that you can shoot at and hit, then there is( or should be) an exact collateral Damage
HokaHey
Medicineman
I get your point, but there's a certain "that way lies madness" element to things, where if the called shot can destroy a qi focus then players simply have their qi foci in places that called shots don't target, rather than in places appropriate to the character.
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Remember, Shadowrun doesn't do the whole hit-location thing really. A piece of armor that has armored legs added to them raises your armor in general, not only when your legs are targeted.
You don't need to explain this to me
I know that :)
(I've known this for appr. 15 Years )
And I appreciate these rules I even endorse/advocate it to New SR Players
But (But ! ) I estimate that a lot of (new) Players
expect an appropriate Ingame secondary effect from a CALLED SHOT .
If there is an exact location (Ear,Foot,Hand) that you can shoot at and hit, then there is( or should be) an exact collateral Damage
HokaHey
Medicineman
I get your point, but there's a certain "that way lies madness" element to things, where if the called shot can destroy a qi focus then players simply have their qi foci in places that called shots don't target, rather than in places appropriate to the character.
"You want be to tattoo what, where?"
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Oooh, I just got a evil-GM image of a Qi-Focus equivilant of a Cortex bomb (yes, I'd have to make up the focus) being tattooed onto internal organs during surgery...
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Oooh, I just got a evil-GM image of a Qi-Focus equivilant of a Cortex bomb (yes, I'd have to make up the focus) being tattooed onto internal organs during surgery...
...Is that even physically possible...?
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I'd say that in real life that would depend on the method used, but unlikely.
In Shadowrun, nanotattos and all kinds of crazy shit is reality, so why the hell not.
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I'd say that in real life that would depend on the method used, but unlikely.
In Shadowrun, nanotattos and all kinds of crazy shit is reality, so why the hell not.
I don't know, wouldn't nanotats have too high resistance threshold to make this worth the effort? Cortex bombs and auto-injectors w/ nasty toxins sound more efficient.
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psycho835
The question was "Is "[tattooing something] onto internal organs during surgery" even possible?" We're pretty far out of "cost effective" territory here, don't'cha think? :D
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Right, sorry. Got a little carried away.
Oh, and, umm, "psycho" will suffice.
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Plus you gotta figure a qi-style tattoo wont show up on most MADscans or similar and not so easy to 'defuse' by purely technical means.
The only downside I could see for the Tattoo bomb is what about Background Count?
High BGC could deactivate this, so I suppose a former Triad member on the run could hole up in a high BGC region to extend his lifespan.
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Tattoo Focuses have been around for a while (lore wise, the Ink masters of the Triads gave them out). But we never had rules for personal tattoo foci..
You are right that a MAD scanner would be worthless.... but it could be worthless on a lot of other foci too.... my Power Foci is actually a wooden Celtic cross carved from English White Oak... no metal to set of off a MAD there :P
And just like any other magic, a high back ground count does affect it :(
(which is one of the reasons going after a Toxic in his domain is near suicide! The background count fries your own magical support while his is at full strength, if not augmented!)
As for law enforcement... well, the only way they could control something like this would be to disenchant it.... which means kiss that Foci, cash and karma good-bye :(
The other options are.... a little less forgiving.
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Oooh, I just got a evil-GM image of a Qi-Focus equivilant of a Cortex bomb (yes, I'd have to make up the focus) being tattooed onto internal organs during surgery...
...Is that even physically possible...?
Eh, they ought to be able to at least etch something onto a bone... I recall a bone actually being turned into a focus (or, rather, a spell lock, at the time) back in Harlequin.
And yes, I figure something of that nature being used as a nearly-completely undetectable kill/pain-switch - perhaps as part of a brainwashing/conditioning program that the evil conspiracy uses on it's secret assassins....
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Eh, they ought to be able to at least etch something onto a bone... I recall a bone actually being turned into a focus (or, rather, a spell lock, at the time) back in Harlequin.
Jane Foster has a spell lock woven into her right thigh bone (pg 121 Harlequin) so yeah there are some fun ways to do it.
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Eh, they ought to be able to at least etch something onto a bone... I recall a bone actually being turned into a focus (or, rather, a spell lock, at the time) back in Harlequin.
Jane Foster has a spell lock woven into her right thigh bone (pg 121 Harlequin) so yeah there are some fun ways to do it.
Had. Then it blew up when Ehran and Harlequin threw down, using it as a two-way ritual link. Which begs for the question, what the hell was Ehran thinking?!
Back on the topic - yeah the bone focus does sound pretty good. A question though - if a focus is inside the body (and thus, it's aura is inside another) would it make sense to give it a degree of astral camo? You know, making it more difficult to find and examine in astral?
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Given how in 5th edition 2 astral bodies can't overlap, would the focus even work.
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Given that your aura already covers foci worn on the surface and you bond the foci to your aura via Karma spent, I would say it would operate on the inside as easy as on the outside.
The question of how well it would be masked by the main body aura is a good question, but I think it would still be detectable/targetable though there should be some modifiers applied in such a case. Spells targeting the foci would still synch up, otherwise you risk unbalancing the game with 'untouchable' foci.