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Shadowrun Play => Rules and such => Topic started by: FasterN8 on <06-13-14/0837:32>
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Cyberdecks are often implanted in a cyberlimb and for good reason, since a hacker never wants to be without their essential piece of gear (or heaven forbid, lose it), but the CRB doesn't have any equivalent implant fro the Rigger. Of course the cyberdeck is tablet sized while the RCC is described as a briefcase, but more wondrous/ridiculous things have been put inside cyberlimbs before. (grenade launcher (15) anyone?)
Since a large smuggling compartment costs only 5 capacity and a obvious cyberleg can handle 4(!) of them, I figured the same leg could probably handle something that fits inside a briefcase. How much capacity should an RCC take, considering of course that the internals of the briefcase are what's important and not the protective shell which will be covered by the leg itself?
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RCC doees not come in an internal version. Sorry.
If it would it would probably take up quite a lot of capacity
A deck is described roughly as two deck of cards or a tablet in size.
Internal deck is smaller and only take up 4 capacity (which is twice as much as a commlink)
A RCC is described as roughly briefcase size(!).
Internal RCC is smaller but will probably take up about x3 or x4 of a cyberdeck or x2 or x2.5 of a cyber machine pistol
So you are looking at a capacity of 12-15 or so.
Edit.
As for why Grenade Launcher "only" take up 15 capacity;
The functional parts of the arm is built around the Grenade Launcher. It replace your arm altogether.
(it also require an obvious arm and there will be no capacity left in the "arm" for anything else but the grenade launcher).
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I think a cyberdeck and RCC are approx the same size, maybe the RCC is a little larger. Even if it's like two times as big, you can fit a cyberdeck in as headware, and you're skull doesn't have that much room to spare.
I can only assume this will be in the augmentations book. Of course you can always houserule it.
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A RCC is described as roughly briefcase size(!).
Internal RCC is smaller but will probably take up about x3 or x4 of a cyberdeck or x2 or x2.5 of a cyber machine pistol
So you are looking at a capacity of 12-15 or so.
Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. At least 10 but probably more like 15, making it pretty useless to put in an arm, and still quite the opportunity cost to put it in a leg. That also puts it at the level of a grenade launcher (plus internal magazine) which is the largest thing in the book that you can put in a cyberlimb. 15 capacity is huge, but so is the inside of a briefcase, even the slim ones.
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I think a cyberdeck and RCC are approx the same size, maybe the RCC is a little larger. Even if it's like two times as big, you can fit a cyberdeck in as headware, and you're skull doesn't have that much room to spare.
The sizes Xenon lists in his posts are from the item descriptions in the SR5 book. A Rigger Control Console is significantly larger than a cyberdeck.
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I think a cyberdeck and RCC are approx the same size, maybe the RCC is a little larger. Even if it's like two times as big, you can fit a cyberdeck in as headware, and you're skull doesn't have that much room to spare.
The sizes Xenon lists in his posts are from the item descriptions in the SR5 book. A Rigger Control Console is significantly larger than a cyberdeck.
true, but remember you wouldn't need a lot of the fiddly bits like physical controls, screen, audio systems etc. I'd imagine you could probably run it off whatever power source runs the cyberlimb too to cut out the need for batterypacks. I think it should be doable, but your GM would need to approve it and give you an idea of how much capacity it takes.
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I think a cyberdeck and RCC are approx the same size, maybe the RCC is a little larger. Even if it's like two times as big, you can fit a cyberdeck in as headware, and you're skull doesn't have that much room to spare.
The sizes Xenon lists in his posts are from the item descriptions in the SR5 book. A Rigger Control Console is significantly larger than a cyberdeck.
Yes, I know. But conversely, the shape of a cyberdeck is described, but not the size.
The most common
form of a deck is a smooth, flat, elongated rectangle,
slim with plenty of display space for touch controls, although
they can take many forms. ,
I always figured that it was sorta the size of a large gaming laptop -- y'know, something as much computing power as you can fit and still be portable. Last one of those I had fit in a briefcase, but there wasn't a lot of extra room.
I agree a RCC is probably larger, but I don't think it's necessarily a LOT bigger. Like I said, it seems reasonable that if you can fit a cyber deck in space not used by your brain, you can fir an RCC in a cyberleg pretty easy.
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I agree a RCC is probably larger, but I don't think it's necessarily a LOT bigger.
As has already been pointed out, the item descriptions in the rule book disagree. And I think it wins.
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I agree a RCC is probably larger, but I don't think it's necessarily a LOT bigger.
As has already been pointed out, the item descriptions in the rule book disagree. And I think it wins.
.....and as I pointed out, there is no size description for a cyberdeck, only a shape. The description Xenon used as "two deck of cards " is not used anywhere, that I know of, at least not this edition. Certainly in any picture I've seen(mostly from editions 1-3), they've been much bigger, at least the size of desktop keyboard, but often bigger.
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theres a picture of the hermes chariot deck in the SR5 book, its about the size of an iPad or equivalent by the looks
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.....and as I pointed out, there is no size description for a cyberdeck, only a shape. The description Xenon used as "two deck of cards " is not used anywhere, that I know of, at least not this edition. Certainly in any picture I've seen(mostly from editions 1-3), they've been much bigger, at least the size of desktop keyboard, but often bigger.
In SR 1-3, before the wireless matrix and AR, they were indeed much bigger.
In SR5, see page 229, right column, first paragraph under "Cyberdecks":
"...just about any shape that has the same volume as a small book."
So yes, the RCC is distinctly bigger.
Personally, I'd allow someone to install an RCC in an implanted large smuggling compartment.(Cost: 8000, Required Capacity: 5, Size: Breadbox) It wouldn't be removable, but would be permanently installed in the space. But that's my houserule.
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.....and as I pointed out, there is no size description for a cyberdeck, only a shape. The description Xenon used as "two deck of cards " is not used anywhere, that I know of, at least not this edition. Certainly in any picture I've seen(mostly from editions 1-3), they've been much bigger, at least the size of desktop keyboard, but often bigger.
In SR 1-3, before the wireless matrix and AR, they were indeed much bigger.
In SR5, see page 229, right column, first paragraph under "Cyberdecks":
"...just about any shape that has the same volume as a small book."
So yes, the RCC is distinctly bigger.
Personally, I'd allow someone to install an RCC in an implanted large smuggling compartment.(Cost: 8000, Required Capacity: 5, Size: Breadbox) It wouldn't be removable, but would be permanently installed in the space. But that's my houserule.
OK, fair enough, though I found it on 227, not 229. Anyway, good catch.
I will point out that the size is not a tech-progression thing -- since in 4th ed, you could use just a commlink.
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Personally, I'd allow someone to install an RCC in an implanted large smuggling compartment.(Cost: 8000, Required Capacity: 5, Size: Breadbox) It wouldn't be removable, but would be permanently installed in the space. But that's my houserule.
/looks down at my thigh.
Even a Large Smuggling compartment is going to be iffy, isn't that the "breadbox" one ?
I can see a loaf of bread fitting in my thigh, not so sure a suit case would.
Maybe insist on 2 of them in the same leg to fit it.
I do like the idea of a Rigger having this option though, just like Deckers, they should be able to be mobile with the group inside a building if the story takes them there.
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I don't think it's unreasonable for "brief case sized" to be broken down to "breadbox sized." As Csjarrat pointed out, at least some of the things that make it "brief case sized" would not be needed at all for an internal version. Just the removal of any need for screens and physical controls should cut it down a lot, allowing the stuff you do need to be stacked more efficiently in a smaller space.
I also don't think it would be unreasonable for a GM to rule it would require two compartments.
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well, a RCC is just as easily concealable as a cyberdeck/light pistol/minidrone/ microgrenade (page 420) and easier to conceal than a stun baton.
I guess it must be in a really crazy formfitting briefcase size then :)
I suppose I might also allow it in cyberlimbs, for a substantial capacity cost...
With so the rules/descriptions being the way they are, best just go with the one you think would make your game better.
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The description Xenon used as "two deck of cards " is not used anywhere...
SR5 p. 223 Deckers
A cyberdeck— usually just called a deck—is like a commlink with some extra features. It is a bit bigger than a commlink, about the size of a small tablet or a spiral-bound notebook, or a pair of playing card decks.
SR5 p. 266 Rigger Control Console
A rigger command console, or RCC, is like a deck for controlling drones (or other vehicles and devices). It’s about the size of a briefcase.
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Just to point out; "about the size of a briefcase" is wonderfully vague. Briefcase sizes are not a standard unit of measure, and just like tablets they cane range in size.
Without the manual controls (video game controller style), screens, and thus reduced power supply needs, I'd allow it to take up the same space as a cyberdeck implant OR a smuggling compartment. Both are reasonable, to my mind.
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I don't think it's unreasonable for "brief case sized" to be broken down to "breadbox sized." As Csjarrat pointed out, at least some of the things that make it "brief case sized" would not be needed at all for an internal version. Just the removal of any need for screens and physical controls should cut it down a lot, allowing the stuff you do need to be stacked more efficiently in a smaller space.
I also don't think it would be unreasonable for a GM to rule it would require two compartments.
Yeah, I was thinking it was "suitcase" sized, which on average is quite a bit bigger than a brief case.
Actually, a Folded in half Brief Case might be really comparable to a Bread Box, as such, I'd agree to mounting it in just a single "Large" Storage compartment.
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Yeah, I was thinking it was "suitcase" sized, which on average is quite a bit bigger than a brief case.
Hah! Hilarious mental image there, the suitcases I grew up with were large enough to contain a couple small children. Does that RCC come with rollers? :D