Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: beastman420 on <09-13-14/1936:33>
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i have a question about cyberware can i put chamelon coating on my characters ware for stealth bonus couldnt i just add more to the cost?
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I'm not sure I understand - cyberware is generally implanted into your body. Are you talking about putting it on a dermal sheath?
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im talking like obvious cyberlimbs mostly like arms or other cyberlimbs not so much implants maybe maybe weapon implants
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im talking like obvious cyberlimbs mostly like arms or other cyberlimbs not so much implants maybe maybe weapon implants
Are you trying to look like you have a normal arm, or like you only have one arm? If its the first, that's what Synthetic Cyberlimbs are for.
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Gotcha - I would probably allow a player to pick up a chameleon coating for the arm. But there are far easier and less expensive ways to get stealthy, like a chameleon suit.
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whats a dermal sheath? is it like dermal plating implants
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Dermal Sheath is a less obvious form of dermal armour than Dermal Plating. It also has the option of Electrochromic and Ruthenium Polymer Coatings in 4e.
I wouldn't allow RPC on the arm itself, but I would allow it on any armour installed into the arm, averaging the perception penalty across all limbs, and adding a modifier below Half (+0), Single Limb (-1). Essentially meaning you need Armour R2 and RPC R2 on a single limb for it to be of use in hiding.
Though this could get prohibitively expensive if you have a cyber body you want RPC'd. Adding it to orthoskin or dermal plating would be easier.
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I think it would be reasonable to allow a dermal sheath on synthetic limbs. They already have fake skin, so a dermal sheath or orthoskin could be used to replace it. Lord knows synthetic cyberlimbs need some kind of bonus, since they have half the capacity of an obvious limb for the same cost. I don't consider the concealability benefit very useful at all, since it doesn't apply to touch and does nothing against cyberware scanners. You'd be better off just wearing long sleeves and gloves with an obvious cyberlimb.
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But how about going for a more chromed version of Major Kusanagi of GITS fame? Full body cyberware with RPC?
Although Essenc-wise, this would be straying dangerously into the cyberzombie territory.
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But how about going for a more chromed version of Major Kusanagi of GITS fame? Full body cyberware with RPC?
Although Essenc-wise, this would be straying dangerously into the cyberzombie territory.
... you do know that the good Major is a full-conversion 'borg, right? The only thing meat about her is brain and spinal column?? I mean, I don't know how you could possibly get more chromed than her.
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But how about going for a more chromed version of Major Kusanagi of GITS fame? Full body cyberware with RPC?
Although Essenc-wise, this would be straying dangerously into the cyberzombie territory.
... you do know that the good Major is a full-conversion 'borg, right? The only thing meat about her is brain and spinal column?? I mean, I don't know how you could possibly get more chromed than her.
I don't think she even has a meat brain and spine. Ghost in the Shell has cyberbrains. She's full borg.
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Maybe in the anime. I'm pretty sure that in the manga - at least originally - she's got her native brain and spinal colum. IIRC, it's mentioned during one of the side stories, when she's watching a full-body conversion being done, and though I don't know for absolute certain, I believe having those is required to be classified as human. After Batou gets her out at the end of the original, I grant that she'd had an entire ghost transplant (as it were), but up until then, she does have the original hardware 'upstairs'.
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Ghost in the Shell has cyberbrains
This is true, but their definition of a cyberbrain is a little meatier.
http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberbrain
http://ghostintheshell.wikia.com/wiki/Cyberbrain_Sclerosis
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But how about going for a more chromed version of Major Kusanagi of GITS fame? Full body cyberware with RPC?
Although Essenc-wise, this would be straying dangerously into the cyberzombie territory.
... you do know that the good Major is a full-conversion 'borg, right? The only thing meat about her is brain and spinal column?? I mean, I don't know how you could possibly get more chromed than her.
What I meant there is obvious cyberware vs. her synthetic.
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Which is one thing, but in SR4 there is a process for removing a person's brain and installing it in a cranial containment unit, which can be connected to a drone. Similar concept, different results, and the obvious/synthetic question is moot.
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Which is one thing, but in SR4 there is a process for removing a person's brain and installing it in a cranial containment unit, which can be connected to a drone. Similar concept, different results, and the obvious/synthetic question is moot.
Did that even end well? From what I remember there were about a dozen psychological problems that eventually led to breakdown of a cyborg created that way.
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Which is one thing, but in SR4 there is a process for removing a person's brain and installing it in a cranial containment unit, which can be connected to a drone. Similar concept, different results, and the obvious/synthetic question is moot.
Did that even end well? From what I remember there were about a dozen psychological problems that eventually led to breakdown of a cyborg created that way.
Exactly. Not to mention the costs of keeping a brain in a jar alive and functioning (which are high).
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Did that even end well? From what I remember there were about a dozen psychological problems that eventually led to breakdown of a cyborg created that way.
Ever since MCT began internally deploying their anthropomorphic Otomo drones back in ’65 [...] Keep in mind; if MCT was this far along when the Otomo started showing up, other corps are probably beyond prototypes by now.
I'm inclined to think 10 years of R&D on the info we've been given in Augmentation would make for some advances.
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Ever since MCT began internally deploying their anthropomorphic Otomo drones back in ’65 [...] Keep in mind; if MCT was this far along when the Otomo started showing up, other corps are probably beyond prototypes by now.
I'm inclined to think 10 years of R&D on the info we've been given in Augmentation would make for some advances.
Probably, were Shadowrun not a nominally cyberpunk setting. SR 5 seems to be heading away from transhumanism, so I would expect the problems to get worse or stay the same, not get better.
-Ariketh
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Cyberpunk is not (or post-cyberpunk) is not incompatable with transhumanism - or the idea behind transhumanism. The biologic issues of a full-body 'borg might, I would think, get solved after a decade - which, I would note, we actually have not yet reached - but the real issues have been less physiological than psychological. Well, in part; Halberstam did a hell of a lot of research that's led to the bottled-brain 'borgs ...
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which, I would note, we actually have not yet reached
'MCT was this far along when the Otomo started showing up'. The Otomo model was internally deployed by MCT 2065. How is that not ten years ago, circa 2075?
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*reads up* Ah. Let me clarify something.
Dr. Halberstam's research which, as I recall, eventually wound up being chiefly sponsored by MCT, began with his 'Matrix Born' research before 2050. After the failure of that project for UCAS Data Systems (which failure was instigated by Lucifer and planned / carried out by Rennie, as per the fiction in the original 1e Matrix book), Halberstam decided that the issue was that the children in the experiment still had bodies - and hence started in on 'unincorporated' children in or around 2052, if not earlier. The information about him (both IC and OOC) in the first Threats book states that he has problems getting the brains to live past six months.
Fifteen years later, 2065 rolls around, and MCT has apparently managed to develop in the longevity department far enough that the corporation is willing to a) do this full-brain extraction to adults, and b) implant them in 'drones' (i.e. full cybernetic/vehicular bodies). The statement at the time of this revelation - which was 2070, not 2065 - is that the adult minds experience, and continue to experience, severe psychological issues. Sure, the brain under discussion (Jon Miller / Gavin Fontain) appears to have lasted five full years - but he's having severe psychologial problems.
In the 5 years since that posting, the psychological issues are unlikely to have been solved. In the twenty-five years since these experiments started, the pure longevity factors have apparently been more-or-less solved (if you call a 5-10 year lifespan, down from at least 40 successfully solved) but the baseline physical issues (uncontrolled metastasis, TLE-x, etc.) would remain unsolved - and potentially unsolveable, as they remain the constant issues a cyborg or cyberzombie IMO should have to deal with, or at least worry about.
I do, in essence, stand by my statement of 'five years', however. 2070 is when we found out about it, and they hadn't solved the issues - which isn't surprising, since they've been struggling with those issues for twenty years. 'Ten years later' is, at least in my mind, not 2075, but 2080. And I expect them to still be struggling with all the same issues.
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Considering that a lot of the psych issues seems to be coming from the fact that the world is being experience in an "inorganic", detached fashion... I would posit that development of better-quality cyberware sensors, possibly with simsense overlay, would be the most obvious avenue for solving these.
In any case, we had strayed way off the original topic.
To re-iterate:
Consider a character with as near as possible to full body obvious cyberware replacement, without straying into cyberzombie territory. Would the RPC coating on all that chrome be useful?
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Psych issues, sure - but not the organic ones ...
Anyhow. Considering the question ... since technically you can get a full-body replacement/casing (cyberlimbs, skull, and torso) for your body, then sure, you could walk around like the Invisible Man, buck-ass nekkid with your RPC keeping you tough-to-see. I'd think that keeping a cloak handy would be a better idea, though. Less expensive, too.