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Title: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-03-14/1336:22>
I know there are plenty of threads about Allergies in Shadowrun, but this one isn't about any specific Allergy. I am curious about what Allergies people have seen in their games, or any Allergies they can come up with that sound interesting, without forcing the GM to unnaturally include it in their game. I really want to start using Allergies more on my characters, but I can't think of too many that would be relevant. After all, how many times can you justify that Silver Allergy for Karma?

Here's what I have so far, feel free to post below and add your own.

Common
Wheat
Soy
Seafood
Bees
Sunlight
Pollen
Pollutants
Wi-Fi Sensitivity
Plastic
Iron
Concrete
Copper?
Pet Hair? Really it's the dandruff (I have no idea how common pets are in Shadowrun)
Nicotine?
Alcohol - suggested by Sendaz
Sulfite/Preservatives - suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Nickel (most people who think they are allergic to gold or silver are actually allergic to the nickel used in precious metal alloys) - suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Cosmetics (anything from shampoo to makeup; products containing formaldehyde, methcrylate, phenylenediamine, ammonium persulfate, and alpha-hydroxy acids are known allergens) - suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Food Dyes - suggested by ve4grm
Insects (Wasps, Mosquitoes, etc.) - suggested by ve4grm
Beans (Similar to Soy) - Suggested by Sipowitz
Horseradish (Wasabi, Honey Mustard Sauce; among other things) - Suggested by Lusis
Dust - Suggested by psycho835
Sugar - Suggested by Tarislar
Mold/Mushrooms/Fungi - Suggested by Snake Eyes
Onions - Suggested by Snake Eyes
Garlic - Suggested by All4BigGuns
Astral Sensitivity (aka, background counts) - Suggested by BetaCAV
Corn - Suggested by Red Rivka
Synth-Leather - Suggested by Red Rivka
Food Flavoring/Soy Processing Unit Flavoring - Suggested by Red Rivka
Cleaning Chemicals - Suggested by Red Rivka
Beer (Soy for soy beer, hops for real beer, honey for mead, grapes for wine, corn for moonshine and/or near wine.) - CanRay/Spooky | Note: Real beer might be Uncommon, but real beer is possible to find in normal bars.

Uncommon
Gold
Silver
Antibiotics
Grass
Bronze
Peanuts?
Cotton?
Berries, etc. Any real food allergy (since most stuff is processed from Soy, Seafood, or Wheat)
Laes/Leal - Suggested by psycho835
Egg, nuts - Suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Plants (poison ivy, oak, and sumac, amongst many others) - Suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Drugs [Can select a specific one] (aspirin, penicillin, insulin, anti-convulsants, and anesthetics; these are commonly known to have caused allergic reactions in some people) - Suggested by Herr Backhaus
Poultry - Suggested by ve4grm
Latex (it's in more things than you think) - Suggested by ve4grm
Fruit - Suggested by ve4grm
Lemons - Suggested by Sipowitz
Tomatoes - Suggested by Sipowitz
CT Dye - Suggested by Snake Eyes
Semen - Suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Cantaloupe - Suggested by Lusis
Orichalcum - Suggested by Longshot 23
Dairy - Suggested by Herr Brackhaus
Coffee - Suggested by Jame Rowe
Eucalyptus - Suggested by El Lanzador
Chocolate - Suggested by All4BigGuns
Astral Beings (mystical) - Suggested by BetaCAV
Simsense/Matrix Immerstion (VR Basically) - Suggested by BetaCAV
Tobacco - Suggested by Red Rivka
Real Leather/Real Meat - Suggested by Red Rivka
Cannabis/Cocaine etc. (choose a drug) - Suggested by Red Rivka
"New Car Smell" Chemical - Suggested by Red Rivka
Industrial Glue - Suggested by Red Rivka
Rubber - Suggested by Red Rivka
Pool Cleaner - Suggested by Red Rivka

I'll try to add more as I think of them, and again, please feel free to post below what Allergies you can come up with. Also, if you think something I classified as Common should be Uncommon, or vice-versa, feel free to explain your reasoning. Just try to be polite with arguments and discussion; I would rather this not get out of hand, as I have seen in some other threads.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-03-14/1449:27>
Alcohol

This is a fairly rare allergy, you are more likely to run into people with alcohol intolerance.

However there are a few rare cases of persons having reactions including severe rashes, difficulty breathing, stomach cramps or collapse with exposure to as little as 1ml worth of alcohol.  (Basically what you would consume in a full swig from your beer)

Alcohol is fairly common and a runner who doesn't drink might face a bit of social stigma in some circles, especially if the group hangs in rougher bars.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-03-14/1455:21>
Laes. If they have your medical file, they will have to resort to less effective methods of mindwiping. If they don't, well, it was nice knowing you.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-03-14/1459:43>
Although an Allergy to Alcohol might be rare, Alcohol is a common substance; so I'll add that to the Common list.

Laes is a good one; definitely uncommon though.

Both have been added.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <11-03-14/1516:51>
Food allergies would include milk/dairy, egg, nuts, shellfish (and/or fish in general), and sulfite (sulfur-based compounds commonly used in preservatives). All except the latter would likely be uncommon, as you point out, but since the latter is used in preservatives it could very well be common just like soy.

You've mentioned pollen and grass, but these are typically classified as seasonal allergies, and include several types of trees, weeds, grasses, molds, and dust mites.

Some that haven't been mentioned:
Plants (poison ivy, oak, and sumac, amongst many others)
Nickel (most people who think they are allergic to gold or silver are actually allergic to the nickel used in precious metal alloys)
Drugs (aspirin, penicillin, insulin, anti-convulsants, and anesthetics; pretty much any drug will result in a reaction if administered in improper dosages, but these are commonly known to have caused allergic reactions in some people)
Cosmetics (anything from shampoo to makeup; products containing formaldehyde, methcrylate, phenylenediamine, ammonium persulfate, and alpha-hydroxy acids are known allergens)

As for how common/uncommon these things are, well, that's up to the GM in many cases. In general, I'd go with uncommon for plants and pollen for urban settings, and common for more rural settings. Common for nickel, as it's widely used in cheap jewelry. Common for some drugs, uncommon for others. Common for cosmetics.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: MijRai on <11-03-14/1525:01>
Shellfish would actually be quite common, as it's one of the three major proteins; soy, mycoproteins, and krill are the top contenders for what's put into your meat 'substitutes' and the like. 
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-03-14/1526:25>
Herr Brackhaus' suggestion for penicillin is a good one.

The wife is allergic to penicillin and even when they put the warning band on her wrist at hospital we still have to double check any treatments as penicillin is such an automatic go to choice that the docs have prescribed it as a knee jerk response only to have us remind them she is allergic to it.

Now imagine a street doc who is in a rush and uses that without thinking on a runner under their care.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-03-14/1528:45>
Food allergies would include milk/dairy, egg, nuts, shellfish (and/or fish in general), and sulfite (sulfur-based compounds commonly used in preservatives). All except the latter would likely be uncommon, as you point out, but since the latter is used in preservatives it could very well be common just like soy.

Would shellfish be uncommon? Some of the examples, like seafood, are straight from the book, so I thought that would be included. I could be wrong.

You've mentioned pollen and grass, but these are typically classified as seasonal allergies, and include several types of trees, weeds, grasses, molds, and dust mites.

As someone who has an allergy to pollen, I agree; they are seasonal. This one was a direct translation from the book; so we could break it down farther if warranted.

Some that haven't been mentioned:
Plants (poison ivy, oak, and sumac, amongst many others)
Nickel (most people who think they are allergic to gold or silver are actually allergic to the nickel used in precious metal alloys)
Drugs (aspirin, penicillin, insulin, anti-convulsants, and anesthetics; pretty much any drug will result in a reaction if administered in improper dosages, but these are commonly known to have caused allergic reactions in some people)
Cosmetics (anything from shampoo to makeup; products containing formaldehyde, methcrylate, phenylenediamine, ammonium persulfate, and alpha-hydroxy acids are known allergens)

Plants are a good one; I think for most places that are run in (urban usually), this would be uncommon. I've heard that about Nickel, but I don't know enough about it to make any judgment. I would think Nickel would be fairly common though, so I'll put that in the Common category. Would drugs be similar to antibiotics (penicillin in particular)? I think those are fine to have down, but definitely Uncommon. Cosmetics are not so much being allergic to the cosmetic itself, but the compounds inside of them (as you have pointed out). I'll put that up there; common sounds reasonable.

As for how common/uncommon these things are, well, that's up to the GM in many cases. In general, I'd go with uncommon for plants and pollen for urban settings, and common for more rural settings. Common for nickel, as it's widely used in cheap jewelry. Common for some drugs, uncommon for others. Common for cosmetics.

Agreed that it is up to the GM, but I'm just trying to compile a nice list if anyone wants to use it. I know I will.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: ve4grm on <11-03-14/1956:11>
Alright, let's see. Note that every one of these is an actual allergy that someone I know has:

- Poultry, to add to your uncommon food allergies.

- Red dye. In actuality, the woman who is allergic to this is allergic to insects, and most red food dye is made of crushed-up bugs. Yes, really. But "food dyes" is probably a broad enough category that it could be a common allergy.

- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.

- Latex. A subset of Plastics allergy, could move it into the Uncommon category. Can't use condoms, flares up around balloons and some fresh paint.

- Birch, and also for some reason apples. I know two people with this allergy. It has something to do with the Birch family of trees, but extends to being unable to eat uncooked apples. Cook the apples, however, and you're fine. Not entirely sure how to do this in Shadowrun, but Fruit could maybe be a good Uncommon allergy.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Snake Eyes on <11-03-14/2111:52>
How about Penicillin, i'm guessing this would fall under uncommon allergies.





I bring this up because my mother is deathly allergic to it
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Lusis on <11-03-14/2147:33>
My wife is allergic to horseradish, and if she has any it will make it difficult for her to breathe. This means wasabi and honey mustard sauce, among other things,  are a no-go.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-03-14/2208:42>
Alright, let's see. Note that every one of these is an actual allergy that someone I know has:

- Poultry, to add to your uncommon food allergies.

- Red dye. In actuality, the woman who is allergic to this is allergic to insects, and most red food dye is made of crushed-up bugs. Yes, really. But "food dyes" is probably a broad enough category that it could be a common allergy.

- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.

- Latex. A subset of Plastics allergy, could move it into the Uncommon category. Can't use condoms, flares up around balloons and some fresh paint.

- Birch, and also for some reason apples. I know two people with this allergy. It has something to do with the Birch family of trees, but extends to being unable to eat uncooked apples. Cook the apples, however, and you're fine. Not entirely sure how to do this in Shadowrun, but Fruit could maybe be a good Uncommon allergy.

Poultry is a good one; really you can take almost any subset of "real" food, but it doesn't hurt to specify.

Never knew that about Red dye, but it doesn't surprise me. I can definitely add that to the list, although I can't imagine what kind of nightmare a GM would have deciding what does and does not have food dyes. It could be probably fixed by purchasing a High or better Lifestyle.

Insects is another good one; bees was just a copy and paste from the book. I would say that they are all common, just to follow suit with the bees.

Latex is another one that I forgot about. Definitely going to add that to the list, I think uncommon for that one though.

I'll add Fruit, just another subset of food (like I said, never hurts to specify a group).

How about Penicillin, i'm guessing this would fall under uncommon allergies.

I bring this up because my mother is deathly allergic to it

Sorry to hear that about your mother. Penicillin is there under drugs.

My wife is allergic to horseradish, and if she has any it will make it difficult for her to breathe. This means wasabi and honey mustard sauce, among other things,  are a no-go.

All right, I think I'll add that to uncommon? I doubt many people have access to sauces/condiments unless they have a Middle or higher Lifestyle. At that point, they can be picky if they want.

All added; thanks for your suggestions guys! Keep them coming, I like the direction this is going.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Snake Eyes on <11-03-14/2233:14>
Ah now i see the drugs part...sorry i missed that before........

Interesting thing about seafood is that usually fish can be eaten but not shellfish (odd, yes).......there's also mold allergies, which would probably include an allergy to mushrooms
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/0007:45>
Ah now i see the drugs part...sorry i missed that before........

Interesting thing about seafood is that usually fish can be eaten but not shellfish (odd, yes).......there's also mold allergies, which would probably include an allergy to mushrooms

No problem, it is buried in there.

Mold/Fungus has been added to Uncommon; that seems appropriate to me. A little confused about that one though, so any ideas welcome.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-04-14/1054:57>
- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.
I wonder, would that include insect spirits?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/1104:31>
- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.
I wonder, would that include insect spirits?

If you are in contact with Insect Spirits, you have worse things to think about than allergies...
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-04-14/1340:49>
- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.
I wonder, would that include insect spirits?

If you are in contact with Insect Spirits, you have worse things to think about than allergies...
Although that could serve as a handy warning system...


Hank: Hey guys, I want you to meet Delores.  We met at the Inferno a while back and I think she might make a good addition to the team.

Stewie 'The Bug Sniffer': *offering his hand* Nice to meet yo---  ACHOO!

Rest of the Team: O_O !!!!!

*cue ensuing heavy automatic and spell fire*
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/1348:52>
Haha; that made my day. Sucks if it was just a squatter who had fleas though.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sipowitz on <11-04-14/1418:04>
I had childhood allergies.
Cotton:  Real thing  This is what started it all, luckily being born in the early 70s when polyester was king helped a lot.
Lemons:  I would break out in hives, start wheezing, etc but I love me some lemons
Tomatoes: same as tomatoes, but I still dislike raw tomatoes, ketchup, sauce still the only way I can stand these things(sucks cause the wife loves them)
Beans: Was supposedly allergic, according to the doctors, never had a problem with them though.
Mold: This one sucked big time(according to my parents) the house they owned was built in the 1880s it was old, mold was common in it, especially the dirt basement.

My wife and eldest daughter are pretty much allergic to anything with four feet and fur, from hamsters to horses.  Daughter is allergic to grass(freshly cut is the worst), bannas, and all sorts of things.  The Doc said, "about the only thing she isn't allergic to is cockroaches".
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/1430:45>
I had childhood allergies.
Cotton:  Real thing  This is what started it all, luckily being born in the early 70s when polyester was king helped a lot.
Lemons:  I would break out in hives, start wheezing, etc but I love me some lemons
Tomatoes: same as tomatoes, but I still dislike raw tomatoes, ketchup, sauce still the only way I can stand these things(sucks cause the wife loves them)
Beans: Was supposedly allergic, according to the doctors, never had a problem with them though.
Mold: This one sucked big time(according to my parents) the house they owned was built in the 1880s it was old, mold was common in it, especially the dirt basement.

I figured Cotton was a real thing, just haven't known anyone who has had it. I have it as Uncommon, because in 2075, most clothes are probably made of synthetic materials. Lemons is an interesting one, seems like they would be exotic and rare in the Shadowrun world. I'll put that under Uncommon. Tomatoes, as above with Lemons. Also don't know how readily available condiments are. Hmm, Beans might actually be Common. I think (could be wrong) that they are easy to grow, and they are pretty healthy in terms of what they give. I could see being used as a poor man's substitute to meat, much like Soy. Mold is in there.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Snake Eyes on <11-04-14/2016:20>
Onions....i know someone who went into anaphylactic shock by eating one
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/2025:09>
Onions....i know someone who went into anaphylactic shock by eating one

Um. Wow. I would not want to be him. I'm not sure if Onions would be common or uncommon, for now it's going in uncommon.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Snake Eyes on <11-04-14/2032:12>
Something else that i should have added is an allergy to CT dye & MRI contrast (which i am severely), but in the Shadowrun time period i'm not sure if this would be a problem since there would probably be better way to scan a patient.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/2040:39>
Hmm, well, it doesn't hurt to put that up there. Definitely uncommon though.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <11-04-14/2050:12>
Semen. Because it's real. :)
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/2113:46>
Semen. Because it's real. :)

Really? Some of the things people are allergic to ...

Thanks for the suggestion, I won't be able to get that one out of my head.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Lusis on <11-04-14/2130:47>


My wife is allergic to horseradish, and if she has any it will make it difficult for her to breathe. This means wasabi and honey mustard sauce, among other things,  are a no-go.

All right, I think I'll add that to uncommon? I doubt many people have access to sauces/condiments unless they have a Middle or higher Lifestyle. At that point, they can be picky if they want.

Wife says it's used as a thickening agent in some of the spicier cheap foods, like Hamburger Helper, hot wing sauce, Japanese spice mixes, and also dijon mustards. Some of the Japanese and Chinese cosmetic products use it as a thickener/pore reducer or some such. 

Also gold makes her break out in hives; roses, hibiscus, and poinsettias also.  Cantaloupe makes her lose her voice.

Yeah she's special.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-04-14/2135:14>
My wife is allergic to horseradish, and if she has any it will make it difficult for her to breathe. This means wasabi and honey mustard sauce, among other things,  are a no-go.

All right, I think I'll add that to uncommon? I doubt many people have access to sauces/condiments unless they have a Middle or higher Lifestyle. At that point, they can be picky if they want.

Wife says it's used as a thickening agent in some of the spicier cheap foods, like Hamburger Helper, hot wing sauce, Japanese spice mixes, and also dijon mustards. Some of the Japanese and Chinese cosmetic products use it as a thickener/pore reducer or some such. 

Also gold makes her break out in hives; roses, hibiscus, and poinsettias also.  Cantaloupe makes her lose her voice.

Yeah she's special.

Yikes. Considering that, I think I'll move it to Common; Cantaloupe will go under Uncommon.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-05-14/0245:19>
I might suggest Onion being Common. 

While whole chunks/slices of onion may be a luxury on your burger, onion powder is a very common element in spices and seasoning mixes for a wide range of foods as it's cheap and little bit goes a long ways for flavour.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-05-14/0332:18>
- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.
I wonder, would that include insect spirits?

If you are in contact with Insect Spirits, you have worse things to think about than allergies...
Although that could serve as a handy warning system...


Hank: Hey guys, I want you to meet Delores.  We met at the Inferno a while back and I think she might make a good addition to the team.

Stewie 'The Bug Sniffer': *offering his hand* Nice to meet yo---  ACHOO!

Rest of the Team: O_O !!!!!

*cue ensuing heavy automatic and spell fire*
That was the idea. :)

How about dust?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-05-14/1149:13>
I might suggest Onion being Common. 

While whole chunks/slices of onion may be a luxury on your burger, onion powder is a very common element in spices and seasoning mixes for a wide range of foods as it's cheap and little bit goes a long ways for flavour.

You make a good point. It has been moved.

- On that note, Insects. You already have bees, but there are so many others, too, and they don't even have to be poisonous. I have heard of severe mosquito allergies, for example, that flare up when bitten.
I wonder, would that include insect spirits?

If you are in contact with Insect Spirits, you have worse things to think about than allergies...
Although that could serve as a handy warning system...


Hank: Hey guys, I want you to meet Delores.  We met at the Inferno a while back and I think she might make a good addition to the team.

Stewie 'The Bug Sniffer': *offering his hand* Nice to meet yo---  ACHOO!

Rest of the Team: O_O !!!!!

*cue ensuing heavy automatic and spell fire*
That was the idea. :)

How about dust?

I could have sworn I had dust in there, but I don't. Added to the Common list.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Tarislar on <11-05-14/2005:30>
I might make Dairy a common allergy if its all things dairy related.  I mean, a lot of stuff has cheese in it or uses cream in its creation.

What about a Sugar allergy,  Oh the Horror of no Soda or Candy,   /cry

Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-05-14/2022:43>
I might make Dairy a common allergy if its all things dairy related.  I mean, a lot of stuff has cheese in it or uses cream in its creation.

What about a Sugar allergy,  Oh the Horror of no Soda or Candy,   /cry

You make a good point. Dairy is moved to Common.

Also, sugar. I can't imagine how horrible that is, especially since literally 90% of food and drink in today's world has sugar in it. You would be surprised what has sugar in it. Definitely adding that to Common.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-05-14/2023:04>
Capital H Horror? Horror allergy?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-05-14/2027:01>
Capital H Horror? Horror allergy?

I don't think a GM would allow that one... Insect Spirits is already pushing it.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-05-14/2039:38>
But-But-But- The Horrors! :'( :'( :'(

Then again, I suppose that by the time they are close enough for the allergy to kick in, you would have much bigger problems than a rash.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-05-14/2040:45>
But-But-But- The Horrors! :'( :'( :'(

Then again, I suppose that by the time they are close enough for the allergy to kick in, you would have much bigger problems than a rash.

Mhmm. I know nothing about the Horrors (never did Earthdawn or anything), but from what I understand, even an Extreme allergy is not as bad as what they do to you.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-05-14/2043:26>
Never played Earthdawn either, but I'm pretty sure you're right. There are descriptions of some of them on this very forum.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-06-14/0337:05>
But-But-But- The Horrors! :'( :'( :'(

Then again, I suppose that by the time they are close enough for the allergy to kick in, you would have much bigger problems than a rash.
Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way.

What we need is a way to induce an allergy in someone else, so that the Horrors are allergic to US.  ;)
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At LAST!! No longer will the walls between our realms hinder us.  We shall feast on your souls and ....ah... ah..  ... ACHOOO!

*sniffles and rubs his eyes which are starting to stream a bit*
 Arg,  where was I.  Oh yes, We shall....ahh.... ahh.. ACHOOO!

What is habbening... my wips.. why are my wips bwowing up?!  Whad hab yu dun do meee?!?
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Granted their nature may make this difficult, but could be worth the Research and Ritual. :P

Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-06-14/0350:19>
Aaaaand the award for the best idea ever goes to...!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Longshot23 on <11-06-14/0448:17>
One that occurred to me a while back was an allergy to . . . orichalcum.

Although when I thought of it, there was an associated plot reason for it, and I can see it getting shot down in a wider arena.

Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-06-14/1100:18>
One that occurred to me a while back was an allergy to . . . orichalcum.

Although when I thought of it, there was an associated plot reason for it, and I can see it getting shot down in a wider arena.

I did think about Orichalcum once, it's not like magical allergies don't exist. The problem is finding the pure stuff anywhere. According to Street Grimoire, it really expensive and hard to make, and according to Shadowspells, one dram of Orichalcum is 140,000 nuyen.

Anyway, it's worth adding, because it's definitely viable. On a mage, that means some of their Foci (they have miniscule amounts I would think) won't be able to be kept on them, etc.

Thanks for your suggestion!

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And at the horror thing ... why does that sound like something out of the Animaniacs?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: ve4grm on <11-07-14/1224:43>
I think a lot of the food allergies (onions, dairy, horseradish) that are now under Common should only be common for, say, Medium lifestyle and higher. It seems pretty clear that for Low lifestyle you're eating soy-based crap with badly-synthesized flavours.

At Medium or above, though, I think you could justify having real milk or seasoning your food properly.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: BetaCAV on <11-08-14/0106:39>
It seems pretty clear that for Low lifestyle you're eating soy-based crap with badly-synthesized flavours.
It seems entirely probable that people will (err, or would, rather) have allergies to specific flavoring concentrates and colorings.

So you might be good with the whole range of Splurgees down at the stuffer shack, except for the "Amazonian Licorice-Lime" flavor. Or maybe it's just the "hot neutron green" coloring, that "fades to black" as it melts -- as do you.

Just don't be allergic to NERPS.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-08-14/0126:34>
I think a lot of the food allergies (onions, dairy, horseradish) that are now under Common should only be common for, say, Medium lifestyle and higher. It seems pretty clear that for Low lifestyle you're eating soy-based crap with badly-synthesized flavours.

At Medium or above, though, I think you could justify having real milk or seasoning your food properly.

Common food allergies are all Middle or Lower Lifestyles IMO. Middle Lifestyle is the lifestyle of your normal wageslave, so it's not that far off. Plus, at Medium lifestyle, you still eat mostly Soy-based synthetics, just have a few "real" meals now and then. It's really hard to draw the line, to be honest, but I would probably draw it at the High Lifestyle. It's also difficult, because a GM needs to figure out what exactly most people are eating at their respective lifestyles, and what those foods might contain.

Onion could go under Uncommon, as it's probably not used often in the Shadowrun world. Dairy includes a lot of things, so I figure you would encounter it at some point, so that one is Common. Horseradish is (as far as I know) not expensive to grow, and I figure sauces and stuff are probably the poor man's substitute for real cooking. I figured the corps would just use it to keep the masses happy with their nearly unpalatable food.

Really, many things, allergies especially, fall under GM fiat. This is just a good starting point, your GM might say "Make it uncommon, I don't think it's common enough." And that's okay. They might also make you take a higher lifestyle to avoid your allergy (which means it directly affects you, so that karma isn't free). I think I'll stay away from Lifestyle dependence for how common an allergy is.

I will, however, move Onions and Dairy to uncommon. You are correct that they probably use non-dairy substitutes for many things that would be commonly made with dairy products. Keeping Horseradish common.

Thanks for your input!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Jame Rowe on <11-10-14/1717:48>
Alcohol

This is a fairly rare allergy, you are more likely to run into people with alcohol intolerance.

However there are a few rare cases of persons having reactions including severe rashes, difficulty breathing, stomach cramps or collapse with exposure to as little as 1ml worth of alcohol.  (Basically what you would consume in a full swig from your beer)

Alcohol is fairly common and a runner who doesn't drink might face a bit of social stigma in some circles, especially if the group hangs in rougher bars.

Coffee is another one that would get some negative reactions. My wife-to-be has it, and most of the time she gets "really? Nah, you must be allergic to caffeine - what, the coffee? Really?" The allergy is to the coffee proteins (that's usually it for most food allergies anyways). Up to the individual GM how common coffee is in the specific game world.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: El Lanzador on <11-10-14/1753:23>
I am allergic to Eucalyptus. Yes, the fancy leaves you see in flower arrangements and Chinese restaurants.

And I'm not talking a running nose or puffy eyes here. I mean being in the same room as the devil-weed can cause my throat to close up.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-10-14/2146:32>
Coffee is another one that would get some negative reactions. My wife-to-be has it, and most of the time she gets "really? Nah, you must be allergic to caffeine - what, the coffee? Really?" The allergy is to the coffee proteins (that's usually it for most food allergies anyways). Up to the individual GM how common coffee is in the specific game world.

Since most of the world enjoys the delicious substitute of Soykaf, that would be an Uncommon allergy. It's certainly possible to obtain real coffee, but unlikely.

I am allergic to Eucalyptus. Yes, the fancy leaves you see in flower arrangements and Chinese restaurants.

And I'm not talking a running nose or puffy eyes here. I mean being in the same room as the devil-weed can cause my throat to close up.

That's ... a new way of describing Eucalyptus. For a default Seattle campaign, I would say that's Uncommon.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: El Lanzador on <11-11-14/1140:58>
That's ... a new way of describing Eucalyptus. For a default Seattle campaign, I would say that's Uncommon.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Maybe it is just a US thing, but 99% of the time, this is how you will usually find Eucalyptus.

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EDIT: Oh, you probably meant the "devil-weed" comment. Ignore what I said previously.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-11-14/1149:58>
That's ... a new way of describing Eucalyptus. For a default Seattle campaign, I would say that's Uncommon.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Maybe it is just a US thing, but 99% of the time, this is how you will usually find Eucalyptus.

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EDIT: Oh, you probably meant the "devil-weed" comment. Ignore what I said previously.

I've never heard it referred to as "devil-weed". That makes it sound like a street drug in SR5. I understand though.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-11-14/1154:56>
How about an allergy to chocolate?


As to what was mentioned with onions, keep in mind that even something as innocuous as ketchup has onion powder in it. Go through some of the stuff in your cabinets, and you'll probably be surprised how much stuff has various dyes (also suitable for allergies) and things like onion in them.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-11-14/1203:42>
How about an allergy to chocolate?


As to what was mentioned with onions, keep in mind that even something as innocuous as ketchup has onion powder in it. Go through some of the stuff in your cabinets, and you'll probably be surprised how much stuff has various dyes (also suitable for allergies) and things like onion in them.

Chocolate is a good one. Adding that to Uncommon.

I see your point with Onion, I'm just not sure in the world of Shadowrun (where so much stuff is synthetic) how much real food would be included in the diet of a Middle lifestyle or lower (Middle lifestyle does have some real food, but that's uncommon, normally they still eat synthetic food). I don't know enough about the cuisine of Shadowrun to really know whether it's Common or Uncommon.

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-11-14/1210:54>
I'm sure that even the lower lifestyles (other than Street of course) still use good old fashioned ketchup (since there are poorer people today who pretty much live off of ketchup and other packets like that), so onion probably would still fall under Common. Not to mention that onions are very cheap to grow because you can grow them practically anywhere, same with garlic to a slightly lesser extent since garlic does need a lot of water.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-11-14/1213:54>
I'm sure that even the lower lifestyles (other than Street of course) still use good old fashioned ketchup (since there are poorer people today who pretty much live off of ketchup and other packets like that), so onion probably would still fall under Common. Not to mention that onions are very cheap to grow because you can grow them practically anywhere, same with garlic to a slightly lesser extent since garlic does need a lot of water.

You have a good point. Moved to Common.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-11-14/1225:43>
But my last post also reminded me, toss garlic up there. I could see it as being Uncommon (unless you're in Italy) since it does take more water to grow, but I could also see it as Common because the higher amount of water it takes can come from someone's laundry room (I've seen that done).
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-11-14/1226:59>
But my last post also reminded me, toss garlic up there. I could see it as being Uncommon (unless you're in Italy) since it does take more water to grow, but I could also see it as Common because the higher amount of water it takes can come from someone's laundry room (I've seen that done).

I would assume if Onion powder is common, then Garlic powder probably would be too.

Added to Common.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: All4BigGuns on <11-11-14/1240:47>
It really would suck to be allergic to either of those, in my opinion. I love both foods.

The chocolate on the other hand, well, that wouldn't affect me really since I can take it or leave it.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-11-14/1241:53>
It really would suck to be allergic to either of those, in my opinion. I love both foods.

The chocolate on the other hand, well, that wouldn't affect me really since I can take it or leave it.

Same here, I love Garlic and Onion.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-11-14/1324:46>
And it is not just Runners who may have issues with onions.

The pungent juice of onions has been used as a moth repellent and can be rubbed on the skin to prevent insect bites.

If boiling water is poured onto chopped onions and left to cool, the resulting liquid can be sprayed onto plants to increase their resistance to pests, and the onion plants when growing are reputed to keep away moles and insects.

Now we are not saying carrying a sack of onions will keep that Flesh form bug spirit off you, but it may give them pause. ;)
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: psycho835 on <11-12-14/0318:51>
And it is not just Runners who may have issues with onions.

The pungent juice of onions has been used as a moth repellent and can be rubbed on the skin to prevent insect bites.

If boiling water is poured onto chopped onions and left to cool, the resulting liquid can be sprayed onto plants to increase their resistance to pests, and the onion plants when growing are reputed to keep away moles and insects.

Now we are not saying carrying a sack of onions will keep that Flesh form bug spirit off you, but it may give them pause. ;)

*Translation from clicking-and-clacking*
BUG 1: "Careful guys, it has onions!"
BUG 2: "Ghost, I hate that smell!
BUG 3: "Remember, it can't actually hurt us. Although we might get a little teary-eyed"
BUG 2: "Is it true that those things eat it?"
BUG 1: "EAT IT?! What kind of monstrosity could possibly consume this... THING!"
BUG 3: "Chill out, it's probably just propaganda."
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Sendaz on <11-12-14/0355:24>

*Translation from clicking-and-clacking*

BUG 3: "Remember, it can't actually hurt us. Although we might get a little teary-eyed"
Well, when you have multifaceted/multiple eyes, that teary eyed bit can add up. :P
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Jame Rowe on <11-14-14/1009:14>
But my last post also reminded me, toss garlic up there. I could see it as being Uncommon (unless you're in Italy) since it does take more water to grow, but I could also see it as Common because the higher amount of water it takes can come from someone's laundry room (I've seen that done).

I would assume if Onion powder is common, then Garlic powder probably would be too.

Added to Common.

Come to think of it, I know someone who has an "oral allergy" to apples. That is to say, he has to actually eat the apples to be affected with it.
Again, how common apples are is up to the individual GM.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-14-14/1115:32>
Come to think of it, I know someone who has an "oral allergy" to apples. That is to say, he has to actually eat the apples to be affected with it.
Again, how common apples are is up to the individual GM.

Most allergies are up to the GM, this is just a starting point. I would rule apples uncommon though, mostly because that would fall under "real" food for me.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: BetaCAV on <11-14-14/1431:13>
What about being allergic to spirits/elementals? Bad for a shaman/mage, worse when they try to initiate or go on an astral quest.

Allergy to Sprites is a bit weirder, and would mostly only affect deckers and (really gimped) technomancers.

Being allergic to Noise (or Background Count) could be appropriate, although it's a pretty horrifying concept.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <11-14-14/1435:49>
What about being allergic to spirits/elementals? Bad for a shaman/mage, worse when they try to initiate or go on an astral quest.

Hmm, I'll rule that as a mystical allergy to Astral beings. That one is definitely uncommon.

Allergy to Sprites is a bit weirder, and would mostly only affect deckers and (really gimped) technomancers.

I'm just trying to figure out how that one would work, and I think it would be safer to go with an allergy to Simsense/Matrix immersion. That would be pretty harsh, as going into VR would trigger an allergy. I'll put it in there, but that seems a little out there; who knows, maybe someone will come up with something creative.

Being allergic to Noise (or Background Count) could be appropriate, although it's a pretty horrifying concept.

Noise is covered by Wi-Fi Sensitivity, in my opinion, and background count would be ... interesting. Perhaps Astral Sensitivity?

Thanks for your suggestions!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Red Rivka on <01-17-15/0129:24>
I'd think tobacco before nicotine, but I'm not an allergist by any stretch.

One that I came up with tonight for my smuggler character (who may actually run into them!) is bovines: cows, bulls, real meat and leather. For a Low lifestyle runner of the city this doesn't really come up except from half a mile away on a field. And a Luxury living runner could just buy friends who don't eat meat or wear leather. :D You do mention dairy, but, eh. I don't know if you can actually be allergic to them generally, but hey, future.

The Drugs section in CRB says that drugs like cannabis (marijuana/pot), cocaine and the like are still around, just not as addictive as the new stuff. (They say 'popular', but I think they mean addictive.) So you could be allergic to pot, maybe so mild that you don't smoke it, maybe so severe that you can't drop in on a college party or a reasonably cool concert in a closed environment. Whether it's common probably depends on your surroundings, I guess.

Corn could be a real bad Common allergy to have - they don't mention it in canon much but it's cheaper and easier to manipulate than soy in some ways, so there's no reason it wouldn't play a role in sprawl cuisine.

I'm not sure what they make synthahol out of but it would be interesting to try to live in the shadows while only being able to drink (or kiss people who just drank) real alcohol. i.e. allergic to synthahol.

Whatever they make synth-leather out of, that would suck to be allergic to.

That 'New Car Smell' chemical. Inconvenient for a rigger.

Something they put on circuitry, like flux or industrial glue?

Personally I have a real sensitivity to pineapples (mouth gets a cut-up feeling and feels acidic in a terrible way) and walnuts (itchy), and can barely make out similar feelings from similar fruits/nuts. I'm not sure if tropical fruit or real nuts come into play for most runners, but some probably get them.

You mentioned sulfites, the preservatives that come from fruit skins, but what about sulfates, the shampoo/conditioner additives? I've been off those for years and have felt less itchy and bad, and I know there's a significant market out there for people like me in that regard.

This is a little complex but an interesting allergy to RP would be the flavoring they use to simulate your favorite food. You'd look like a snob when really you just need the real stuff every now and then (like the alcohol thing above).

Rubber? Are people allergic to that?

There could be an industrial chemical they use to make DNIs/cable/cyberdecks/?? that the PC is allergic to.

Pool cleaner?

Some sort of bathroom cleaning chemical that they use at all the corporate offices?

Your medication!...

I guess the possibilities are endless!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <01-17-15/0227:37>
I'd think tobacco before nicotine, but I'm not an allergist by any stretch.

Neither am I. I would think "real" tobacco would be pretty expensive in 2075, but who knows. That one is going under Uncommon, I think.

One that I came up with tonight for my smuggler character (who may actually run into them!) is bovines: cows, bulls, real meat and leather. For a Low lifestyle runner of the city this doesn't really come up except from half a mile away on a field. And a Luxury living runner could just buy friends who don't eat meat or wear leather. :D You do mention dairy, but, eh. I don't know if you can actually be allergic to them generally, but hey, future.

Interesting. I mean, real meat and real leather would definitely be Uncommon, but it's something.

The Drugs section in CRB says that drugs like cannabis (marijuana/pot), cocaine and the like are still around, just not as addictive as the new stuff. (They say 'popular', but I think they mean addictive.) So you could be allergic to pot, maybe so mild that you don't smoke it, maybe so severe that you can't drop in on a college party or a reasonably cool concert in a closed environment. Whether it's common probably depends on your surroundings, I guess.

I have no idea whether to make that Common or Uncommon. My instinct tells me Uncommon, but the slums might be covered in residue and smoke from those drugs, so I don't know.

Also, yeah, they aren't as addictive. Some things are just sort of hyped up versions though.

Corn could be a real bad Common allergy to have - they don't mention it in canon much but it's cheaper and easier to manipulate than soy in some ways, so there's no reason it wouldn't play a role in sprawl cuisine.

I agree.

I'm not sure what they make synthahol out of but it would be interesting to try to live in the shadows while only being able to drink (or kiss people who just drank) real alcohol. i.e. allergic to synthahol.

I think they make it out of Soy ... I truly don't know.

Whatever they make synth-leather out of, that would suck to be allergic to.

No kidding. That one is going to be Common.

That 'New Car Smell' chemical. Inconvenient for a rigger.

Uncommon though. Unless it's brand new, or someone who cares about that sort of thing, most cars won't have that.

Something they put on circuitry, like flux or industrial glue?

Uncommon, for sure.

Personally I have a real sensitivity to pineapples (mouth gets a cut-up feeling and feels acidic in a terrible way) and walnuts (itchy), and can barely make out similar feelings from similar fruits/nuts. I'm not sure if tropical fruit or real nuts come into play for most runners, but some probably get them.

I feel like fruit, especially real fruit, covers that one.

You mentioned sulfites, the preservatives that come from fruit skins, but what about sulfates, the shampoo/conditioner additives? I've been off those for years and have felt less itchy and bad, and I know there's a significant market out there for people like me in that regard.

I think the Cosmetics thing covers that decently well. I've personally never noticed it, but someone else suggested that people can be allergic to stuff in Cosmetics; I assume that's what you are talking about.

This is a little complex but an interesting allergy to RP would be the flavoring they use to simulate your favorite food. You'd look like a snob when really you just need the real stuff every now and then (like the alcohol thing above).

Hmm, interesting idea. That would make you allergic to pretty much everything unless you have a High Lifestyle (by then you can pick and choose). Common it is.

Rubber? Are people allergic to that?

Yes, I know some people who are allergic to it. Not sure whether to put it under Common or Uncommon. It will be Uncommon, for now.

There could be an industrial chemical they use to make DNIs/cable/cyberdecks/?? that the PC is allergic to.

I understand where you're going there, but I don't know what they would use and how/if it would apply to anything else.

Pool cleaner?

For those Shadowrunners who frequent rich people's houses, stay away from the pool! Just kidding, adding that to Uncommon.

Some sort of bathroom cleaning chemical that they use at all the corporate offices?

Makes sense. I'll say that's Common; it's probably used in all bathrooms.

Your medication!...

Covered by Drugs/Antibiotics etc.

I guess the possibilities are endless!

They are, and really, you can use anything and you don't have to follow this list. It's just a nice starting point for people who want to add a little something different or who can't think of an idea.

Thank you for your ideas; I've added them to the list!
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Marzhin on <01-17-15/0522:39>
As silly as it might seem, I'm allergic to tomato.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <01-17-15/1536:29>
As silly as it might seem, I'm allergic to tomato.

Not silly at all. It's in there already.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Red Rivka on <01-18-15/0738:56>
You're welcome, and thanks for integrating my suggestions as appropriate.

Never knew that about Red dye, but it doesn't surprise me. I can definitely add that to the list, although I can't imagine what kind of nightmare a GM would have deciding what does and does not have food dyes. It could be probably fixed by purchasing a High or better Lifestyle.

Everything has dyes. I'm in the US: some of my medicines and, I'm sure, a ton of my food (and I eat relatively natural and healthy) have dyes that are dangerous to health, allergy or no, to the point where they've been banned by less corporatocratic governments like in Scandinavia, etc. If the US got even more corporatocratic, the result would be food dyes are completely unavoidable without an upgrade in lifestyle costs (similar to a dependent?) and some seriously awkward shadow social scenes. You may have to fight a bouncer just to eat something you brought in that won't make you sick. Taking those little plastic shot bottles around instead of buying drinks at the bar--and you can't get the right brand at every Stuffer Shack, so you better have diverse tastes or a real good shopsoft. Getting picked on by the team for having so much expensive food on you...getting it stolen by your buds who then offer you food in return that would poison you...facing the stigma of an alcoholic without even being one...until they drive you up the wall and you realize you've been downing those little bottles faster and faster.

I had this thing with a vegan who also had other dietary issues, who would go to immense trouble to procure, cook, season and stock up food for herself, only for her roommate to consistently steal her food and offer her chicken and fish and suchlike in return. The roomie just could not see the problem with this exchange. But if you've been vegan for years, especially if you have other health problems related to food, there's a good chance you'll be miserable on (or facing) the toilet for a while after you eat meat. To the roomie, though, it wasn't part of her life so it wasn't real. You deal with sociopaths everywhere but it's especially soul-grinding when you can't escape them flagrantly stealing your shit at home.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: sidslick on <01-18-15/0805:54>
I'm British and there's been quite a few dye-related allergies over here too - most recently the Sudan I red dye - along with cancer scares, links to autism and ADD/ADHD, and all sorts.  My eldest son is also seriously allergic to peanuts in all forms (which is surprisingly pervasive in food - flavourings and peanut oil especially), which kinda brings me onto my next point; treatment.  Real world treatment for most serious allergies is adrenaline and antihistamines.  Would this be reflected in Shadowrun rules if applied in time?  I know adrenaline epipens are bloody expensive and have a limited shelf-life.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <01-19-15/0100:47>
You're welcome, and thanks for integrating my suggestions as appropriate.

Never knew that about Red dye, but it doesn't surprise me. I can definitely add that to the list, although I can't imagine what kind of nightmare a GM would have deciding what does and does not have food dyes. It could be probably fixed by purchasing a High or better Lifestyle.

Everything has dyes. I'm in the US: some of my medicines and, I'm sure, a ton of my food (and I eat relatively natural and healthy) have dyes that are dangerous to health, allergy or no, to the point where they've been banned by less corporatocratic governments like in Scandinavia, etc. If the US got even more corporatocratic, the result would be food dyes are completely unavoidable without an upgrade in lifestyle costs (similar to a dependent?) and some seriously awkward shadow social scenes. You may have to fight a bouncer just to eat something you brought in that won't make you sick. Taking those little plastic shot bottles around instead of buying drinks at the bar--and you can't get the right brand at every Stuffer Shack, so you better have diverse tastes or a real good shopsoft. Getting picked on by the team for having so much expensive food on you...getting it stolen by your buds who then offer you food in return that would poison you...facing the stigma of an alcoholic without even being one...until they drive you up the wall and you realize you've been downing those little bottles faster and faster.

I had this thing with a vegan who also had other dietary issues, who would go to immense trouble to procure, cook, season and stock up food for herself, only for her roommate to consistently steal her food and offer her chicken and fish and suchlike in return. The roomie just could not see the problem with this exchange. But if you've been vegan for years, especially if you have other health problems related to food, there's a good chance you'll be miserable on (or facing) the toilet for a while after you eat meat. To the roomie, though, it wasn't part of her life so it wasn't real. You deal with sociopaths everywhere but it's especially soul-grinding when you can't escape them flagrantly stealing your shit at home.

Thinking about it, I would definitely agree with you. So much stuff has dyes in it.

My condolences for your friend. That sucks, especially as that roomie just didn't respect her choice to be vegan.

I'm British and there's been quite a few dye-related allergies over here too - most recently the Sudan I red dye - along with cancer scares, links to autism and ADD/ADHD, and all sorts.  My eldest son is also seriously allergic to peanuts in all forms (which is surprisingly pervasive in food - flavourings and peanut oil especially), which kinda brings me onto my next point; treatment.  Real world treatment for most serious allergies is adrenaline and antihistamines.  Would this be reflected in Shadowrun rules if applied in time?  I know adrenaline epipens are bloody expensive and have a limited shelf-life.

Well, it depends on the severity of your allergy. And they might have better stuff in 2075, but I assume that you can use normal methods. I mean, it's mostly your immune system reacting to something that is harmless.

Mild - Treated with Antihistamines and being away from the Allergen.
Moderate - Treated with Antihistamines and maybe some sort of treatment like special cream or something; basically the same as Mild but worse symptoms.
Severe - Treated as Moderate, but when in contact with the Allergen, it causes physical harm to the body. So, remove the Allergen and hope for the best? I don't know, this one seems hard to pinpoint how bad the reaction is.
Extreme - This is where you need the adrenaline, as the Allergen sends the person into analphylactic shock.

I have no idea if other treatments are available, but that's how I would work with it. Probably a good idea to have a brainstorm with your GM on it.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: pixiesunbelle on <01-20-15/1149:40>
How about an allergy to chocolate?


As to what was mentioned with onions, keep in mind that even something as innocuous as ketchup has onion powder in it. Go through some of the stuff in your cabinets, and you'll probably be surprised how much stuff has various dyes (also suitable for allergies) and things like onion in them.

Chocolate is a good one. Adding that to Uncommon.

I see your point with Onion, I'm just not sure in the world of Shadowrun (where so much stuff is synthetic) how much real food would be included in the diet of a Middle lifestyle or lower (Middle lifestyle does have some real food, but that's uncommon, normally they still eat synthetic food). I don't know enough about the cuisine of Shadowrun to really know whether it's Common or Uncommon.

Thanks for your suggestions!
I think most food allergies would consist of synthetic properties in certain foods then if most people encounter them that way.

In the real world if you have a wheat allergy, you pay a pretty penny for substitutes which would mean those allergic to different synthetics would have to take a higher lifestyle or have the option to alternatives. I would think that in a world that could make synthetic food would have options though. Also, it would be totally possible for someone of a higher lifestyle to eat synthetic food if they are allergic to everything real...
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <01-20-15/1156:56>
Most food allergies are hard to pin down in a game that's an abstraction of the real world. Ultimately, it's up to the GM when something triggers, or what foods would triggers a specific allergy.

I agree that it would cost more to avoid your allergies. That is usually settled by taking a High Lifestyle or better. And yes, a High Lifestyle can eat entirely synthetic food, if they are allergic to everything real. It would be strange, but possible.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Spooky on <02-03-15/0024:44>
Black mold is a problem the CDC has articles on, including the effects of exposure and methods of removal. Google black mold and you'll find it.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: CanRay on <02-03-15/1542:22>
An allergy to beer.

And I just scared myself.  Very badly.  I'm just going to sit here waiting for my heart to start back up.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Namikaze on <02-03-15/1623:37>
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Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <02-03-15/1722:55>
Black mold is a problem the CDC has articles on, including the effects of exposure and methods of removal. Google black mold and you'll find it.

Mold is in there. However, upon consideration, I am moving it to Common. The amount of houses with Black Mold today is large, I can't imagine with all the sprawls and rundown stuff that there is less in 2075.

Thanks!

An allergy to beer.

And I just scared myself.  Very badly.  I'm just going to sit here waiting for my heart to start back up.

I would think wheat or soy would cover beer in 2075. I could be wrong; any ideas what it's actually made out of in Shadowrun?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Spooky on <02-04-15/0054:20>
Depends. Is it real beer or soy beer?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: CanRay on <02-06-15/1256:39>
Depends. Is it real beer or soy beer?
Yes.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Spooky on <02-08-15/1114:21>
Soy for soy beer, hops for real beer, honey for mead, grapes for wine, corn for moonshine and/or near wine. At least, that's what I would say for allergies related to these drinks.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: 8-bit on <02-10-15/1143:12>
My bad on being a few days behind. Thank you guys for your suggestions! They have been added.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: elsondwarf on <08-21-16/1327:27>
How about an Allergy to Bullets? Thats a pretty common allergy.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <08-21-16/1350:51>
How about an Allergy to Bullets? Thats a pretty common allergy.
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Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: HobDobson on <08-22-16/0005:43>
I see my magician's allergy to orichalcum is already listed. Suffice it to say that someone isn't going to be committing high-end alchemy, or buying off-the-shelf weapons foci any time soon.  ;)

- Poultry, to add to your uncommon food allergies.

A nasty one though, as it affects which innoculations a person can receive.

- Red dye. In actuality, the woman who is allergic to this is allergic to insects, and most red food dye is made of crushed-up bugs. Yes, really. But "food dyes" is probably a broad enough category that it could be a common allergy.

FD&C Red 40 isn't cochineal (the "bug" in "bug juice" and at least one Snapple product), but it may be in your tattoo ink.

FD&C Yellow 5 (tartrazine) is harder to avoid: It's used in a couple of antibiotics, and it cross-reacts with sensitivities to aspirin, iboprofen, and the other common NSAIDs except for acetaminophen/paracetamol.

If you really want a miserable allergy: glucocorticoids (predisone, cortisone, etc.)
Bonus points if you recognize them as the primary medications for any allergic reaction short of anaphylactic shock.  :-[

Edit: Oh yeah, they're probably still used in preventing implant/organ rejection. Uncommon in practice, as usually it's asthma patients who get hit with the sensitivity IRL, but it would really suck to find out after having some augments done.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: RowanTheFox on <08-22-16/0016:08>
I'm allergic to all mold-derived antibiotics. Basically anything ending with "illin" will kill me.

Mold-derived antibiotics are super common.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: RowanTheFox on <08-22-16/0018:32>

If you really want a miserable allergy: glucocorticoids (predisone, cortisone, etc.)
Bonus points if you recognize them as the primary medications for any allergic reaction short of anaphylactic shock.  :-[

Edit: Oh yeah, they're probably still used in preventing implant/organ rejection. Uncommon in practice, as usually it's asthma patients who get hit with the sensitivity IRL, but it would really suck to find out after having some augments done.

How many points do I get?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: HobDobson on <08-22-16/0030:02>

If you really want a miserable allergy: glucocorticoids (predisone, cortisone, etc.)
Bonus points if you recognize them as the primary medications for any allergic reaction short of anaphylactic shock.  :-[

How many points do I get?

At least enough to rate a completely *illin-free cookie or two!


I would have paid good money to stop the itching from that rash, instead of having to take benadryl 24/7 until the days on the "fast taper" ran out.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: RowanTheFox on <08-22-16/0046:06>

If you really want a miserable allergy: glucocorticoids (predisone, cortisone, etc.)
Bonus points if you recognize them as the primary medications for any allergic reaction short of anaphylactic shock.  :-[

How many points do I get?

At least enough to rate a completely *illin-free cookie or two!


I would have paid good money to stop the itching from that rash, instead of having to take benadryl 24/7 until the days on the "fast taper" ran out.

Woot!

If it ever happens again, try a warm oatmeal bath (grind the oatmeal first) with 2 cups apple cider vinegar. The relief is unfortunately temporary, but the oatmeal and vinegar help dry out the rash to speed healing. Best part is you can't OD on the stuff, so you can take as many baths as you want.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Longshot23 on <08-22-16/0654:51>
One of the allergies I've considered is linseed - except I usually see linseed paired with soy these days.

Is there anything to suggest that certain allergies go with certain abilities? Like the legendary cold iron vulnerability of varieties of fae?
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: Herr Brackhaus on <08-22-16/0717:22>
Is there anything to suggest that certain allergies go with certain abilities? Like the legendary cold iron vulnerability of varieties of fae?
Well, yes, kind of. All Infected seem to be allergic to Sunlight, and quite a few of them have secondary allergies as well. Elemental spirits are allergic to opposing elements. Shapeshifters are almost universally allergic to Silver.

As for normal metahumans; no, not really.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: wamphyri on <08-24-16/0842:08>
While you have insects added the ones you have listed are all due to bites or stings. One insect allergy that should be mentioned is cockroaches and unlike other insects they dont need to bite you to cause the allergy.
Title: Re: Let's Brainstorm Some Allergies - Common and Uncommon
Post by: kyoto kid on <08-25-16/0109:24>
...lactic acid (the prime instigator in milk allergies) is used in a wide array of different processed products, this is why I would shift Dairy up to common.