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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: Tirwalker on <11-05-14/1659:09>
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So there are rules for how many bullets a weapons mount hold, or how many rockets or missiles a heavy mount holds, but how many grenades does a standard mount hold?
And on the subject of ammunition, can you put more than one type of ammo in a mount and switch back and forth on the fly?
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There has been many a debate of this question.
The "Reload" action in an of itself means that you could have the 250/500 round broken into sections the size of the weapon "magazine".
I see, depending on the weapon, why 250 round bin is BS when its a 5 shot weapon like a sporting rifle & now you never burn an action reloading.
But, I also see the other side where Switching magazines = Versatility and can be argued as too powerful too.
I prefer the magazine side because it doesn't do anything normal shooter can't do, where as the 250 rounds w/o reloading is just not possible in your typical 5-10 shot Sporting/Sniper/Shotgun weapon.
One thing that I do think needs to be addressed is "ammo size".
I think things like Grenades should be a Single = 10 Shots of "Other" ammo that is normally purchased in 10 blocks.
And add to that that Assault Cannon ammo should also be at a 1/10 ratio.
I can see an argument for Shotguns & Heavy MG's too, but at a certain point I feel it would be getting too complex if you tried to come up w/ a ratio rating for every weapon type.
I think at most it should be something like Firearms, Heavy Weapons/2, Grenades/Assault Cannons/10 for rounds/bin.
So you'd have 250 Pistol ammo, 125 Machine Gun ammo, or 25 Grenades as all being able to fit into a Standard Mount of 250 Ammo.
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There have indeed been many debates on this and tbh, best thing is to talk it over with your GM.
The heavy mount explicitly states that it only holds belted ammo, and this was the case for both types of mount under 4e rules.
I continue to play it this way but many read it differently, hence check with GM.
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There really should be rules for requiring modification of non-belted weapons if you want them to accept the mount's larger ammo feed.
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There really should be rules for requiring modification of non-belted weapons if you want them to accept the mount's larger ammo feed.
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Not really? They're expensive, but it's completely possible to get a drum-magazine for most any magazine-fed weapon, if you're willing to spend the cash. I assume it comes as a part of the price for a weapon mount.
http://deadfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/more-than-a-clip.jpg
Here's one of the more ridiculous ones I've seen. Much less ridiculous if it were mounted.
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Yeah, but that's not using the MOUNT'S ammo feed.
It is a non-trivial task to get weapons to feed from an ammo bin if they don't already accept belted ammo.
Which is why most real world mounted weapons either A) are belted or B) just use their regular ammo storage, and require manual changing of magazines/drums/what have you.
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Yeah, but that's not using the MOUNT'S ammo feed.
It is a non-trivial task to get weapons to feed from an ammo bin if they don't already accept belted ammo.
Which is why most real world mounted weapons either A) are belted or B) just use their regular ammo storage, and require manual changing of magazines/drums/what have you.
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You're assuming the mount's ammo feed is belt-fed. There's no mention in the book regarding how the system provides ammunition. A drum magazine big enough to carry 250 rounds, built into the mount, is still a valid option.
Yes, it's very difficult (i.e. impossible) to get most closed bolt or telescoping bolt assemblies to take belt-feed systems. It's literally not how they're designed. It's also not explained how they do it.
So, the weapons in SR just use a modified version of their regular ammo storage. Go look up drum magazines (perhaps for pistols), and you'll see what I mean. It makes less sense if you're trying to mount something like a Defiance or something that uses a tubular magazine, but oh well.
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The discussion over weapon mount ammunition has been going on for months. At this point, it's a GM call and it might vary by table. Personally, I see it as 250 rounds of stored ammo, with the weapon's original ammo capacity still in tact. The mount has a way (magic!) to reload the weapon automatically. It just makes things easier for me, but I have no other justification for this decision. The information is just too scant.
I'll post a question for Missions games though, as I'm sure something like this has or will come up.
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You know, it occurs to me that even if we do assume its a conversion over to belt fed, which I don't assume that, but even if we did, that is still no reason to assume it can't change ammo types.
I look at the Bushmaster 25MM on the M-2 Bradley where it can shift between 2 different types of belted ammo rounds and think why can't a drone do that?
Anyway, just a thought.
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You know, it occurs to me that even if we do assume its a conversion over to belt fed, which I don't assume that, but even if we did, that is still no reason to assume it can't change ammo types.
I look at the Bushmaster 25MM on the M-2 Bradley where it can shift between 2 different types of belted ammo rounds and think why can't a drone do that?
Anyway, just a thought.
The only negative aspect I can come up with in regards to that would be size. A Bradley has a nice, roomy turret and plenty of systems to change ammunition, as well as plenty of room for the ammo. Your smaller drones might not be able to fit that capability (I figure once the vehicle/drone book comes out, it'll have an ammunition-swapping mechanism, for capacity).
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One could argue that the ammo bin and the modifications of the weapon to use it would be covered by the cost of the mount itself.
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One could argue that the ammo bin and the modifications of the weapon to use it would be covered by the cost of the mount itself.
I'd prefer to argue that it doesn't need modifications, sans someone wanting to be able to switch ammo-types on the fly.
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The only negative aspect I can come up with in regards to that would be size. A Bradley has a nice, roomy turret and plenty of systems to change ammunition, as well as plenty of room for the ammo. Your smaller drones might not be able to fit that capability (I figure once the vehicle/drone book comes out, it'll have an ammunition-swapping mechanism, for capacity).
Just curious, have you been in a Bradley before? I'm not sure I'd call it roomy at all. Hehehe
We are also not talking about 25mm ammo here, I mean the Bushmaster is basically a FA version of the Assault Cannon.
I'm thinking something that swaps belts of 7.62 used in AR/SR/LMG/MMG class weapons could be quite a bit smaller.