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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: raggedhalo on <09-08-10/0539:41>
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OK, so this has been bugging me for years. Who was responsible for the Nightwraith Incident (basic info in SR4A, pg.29)?
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No clue here, anyone else?
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Theres so much rumour around that subject, its basically become impossible to tell for sure. The british? UCAS? CAS? Japan? Australia? There are to many factions who had the fire- and manpower to pull it off AND had a reason for wanting to put a stop to that madhouse.
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'Runners of course. :P
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Certainly would fit. Obviously the initiator of the "incident" didn't want to be brought into the light, so what better course of action than using deniable assets.
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It has never been "officially" answered.
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Deniable assets may have performed the computer attacks and assassinations. The real deal is flying several stealth aircrafts armed with guided air-to-ground munitions over Europe, leaving no trace. It's not like stealth bombers are a widespread commodity.
Core books, London Source, Germany Sourcebook and Shadows of Europe gives little information. The odd part is, Great Britain does not appear to really stand out among the suspects like it should. Maybe the Brit provided some conclusive evidences, somehow challenging the aircrafts identification as Nightwraith. Still, according to the London Sourcebook, diplomatic relations between France and Great Britain became glacial from that point.
What amazes me the most in this whole story is someone had the guts to fly the planes in the first place. Right before the attack, Great Britain sent troops to the low countries to protect its interests, thus openly admitting they were threatened. Then someone had bombers that could pass for British models, coming from the North Sea and the general direction of the British Isles, and heading east. Had the Russians detected the planes, instead of the Swedes, this would have been the perfect trigger for a nuclear conflict.
It may worth noting US Air Force Major David Gavilan and corporate spook Lucien Cross were in Stockholm to launch the Nanosecond Buyout, on January 24th, the following day the Swedish air defense detected the aircrafts.
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To quote Conspir-I-See: "It was the Immortal Elves!!"
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It may worth noting US Air Force Major David Gavilan and corporate spook Lucien Cross were in Stockholm to launch the Nanosecond Buyout, on January 24th, the following day the Swedish air defense detected the aircrafts.
I remember seeing a Shadowland comment that both Gavilan and Cross worked for Thomas Roxborough's company at the time too...
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I heard about this, but refresh my memory. Was this the incident that ended the Euro-Wars?
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I remember seeing a Shadowland comment that both Gavilan and Cross worked for Thomas Roxborough's company at the time too...
According to Blood in the Boardroom (and other books, but BitB gives it as Game Information), David Gavilan and Lucien Cross worked at the investigative research division of Acquisition Technologies. The Nanosecond Buyout relied on software created by Acquisition Technologies people.
The Dragonheart Trilogy novels told us Thomas Roxborough owned Acquisition Technologies in 2029. He asked Gavilan to destroy Dunkelzahn-owned rival corp Gossamer Threads computers. Gavilan code got out of control and become the Crash Virus. Dunkelzahn later bought Acquisition Technologies, learn about this, and convinced David Gavilan to join Echo Mirage Team Two to repair his mistake.
According to Corporate Guide, David Gavilan joined Acquisition Technologies only after he left Echo Mirage.
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Hmm... I think I need to go back and re-read Dragonheart. It seems I've forgotten some stuff...
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It wasn't just the bombers, though - assassins also killed more than a dozen key commanders the same night.
As much as I hate to fall back on the usual suspects, there is one that stands out as having the influence and power to pull it off... plus a well-known interest in a united Europe. And the following year, the Danube Union was formed...
The incident only ended Part One of the Euro-Wars; a cease-fire was signed the next day, but I don't know of any record of a peace treaty.
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It wasn't just the bombers, though - assassins also killed more than a dozen key commanders the same night.
As much as I hate to fall back on the usual suspects, there is one that stands out as having the influence and power to pull it off... plus a well-known interest in a united Europe. And the following year, the Danube Union was formed...
The incident only ended Part One of the Euro-Wars; a cease-fire was signed the next day, but I don't know of any record of a peace treaty.
Actually, the Sixth World Almanac states that an armistice was signed shortly after the cease-fire was called.
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Thanks for the heads-up. I curse every day that I can't get over my old-fashioned need for a hardcopy and not just get the e-version of Sixth World Almanac.
The pre-existing data for the Euro-Wars has been strangely scanty (I know that the earliest sources had them running to 2042!)
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As far as material states I have access to at the moment, the Euro Wars ended sometime in 2037 with the end of the Great Dschihad. I guess they had to mop up a few resistance nests after that, but 2042 seems a bit stretched...
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This was in the earliest material - the SR1 stuff. I believe Secrets of Europe ended it in 2035, when the Alliance of Allah fell apart.
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According to the 6WA, the Euro Wars began Jan 17, 2031 with Russia invading Poland, then continued until the Nightwraith incident (1/23/2033), with the cease-fire and armistice being signed on Jan 24, 2033. It says that smaller battles continued to plague Eastern Europe, but doesn't give a date when they finally stopped.
The Great Jihad (is that what you meant, Doc? I think it wasn't translated), started on Oct 14th, 2034 when the Alliance for Allah attacked Israel, Russia, India, the Balkans, and the Iberian Peninsula. It doesn't list an end date for the Jihad...
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'Runners of course. :P
Its the only theory that fits.....
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The Great Jihad (is that what you meant, Doc? I think it wasn't translated)
Yeah, glitch in my "german-to-yankee" lingo-soft, I'll get that fixed right away. Thx ;)
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The war between Russia and the European allies was the First Eurowar. The Great Jihad was the Second Eurowar, even though Shadows of Asia says the Alliance also attacked Israel and in the Caucasus moutains. 2042 is seemingly the end of the Turkish civil war that followed, with Constantinople and Kuristan going independent around that time. Balkans states probably also kept on fighting for some time.
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Trying to find the original sources here:
"Just when it seemed the Alliance would make a breakthrough, however, news spread that Mullah Sayid Jazrir had been assassinated in Istanbul. The Alliance crumbled as different factions and leaders claimed power; the unity of purpose vanished before petty bickering. The war was effectively over, though the Balkans remained aflame." - Secrets of Europe
No date given there, but Secrets of Asia places the assassination in 2035 in its Middle East timeline.
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I still don't see how anybody could assassinate all these world leaders and not leave a single clue as to who was behind it. It's so extremely unlikely my only explanation is "lol magic" and I try to put it out of my mind. The stealth bombers coming out of nowhere detected going to and fro by nobody is almost as bad, but I suppose in the middle of major war it's at least possible, even if unlikely.
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Just means they had help from so high up, Zurich Orbital is their basement...
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Nightwraith....Corporate court strike force with support and consent from the UK, Germany, France Western Euro states.
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I still don't see how anybody could assassinate all these world leaders and not leave a single clue as to who was behind it.
The target were not specifically heads of state. To make a comparison, that would have been like targeting Wolfowitz, Perl and Rumsfeld and a few key general officers to derail US administration policy in Iraq, instead of simply going after president Bush (okay, you'd probably have to go after Cheney as well). Your point is still valid though : that's a hell of a trick to pull off.
In my opinion, the "best" explanation would be that none of the governments really searched because they were all involved in the planning and execution of the operation.
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Well, there's the mysterious assassinations of various world leaders in 2016 by "lone gunmen"...
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Move to get more corporate friendly personel in some governments offices if you ask me...
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Id say it were corporate interests seeing the European market threatened. I think theyre the only ones who could "temporarily lease" ;) some government assets like the Nightwraiths (so it might well have been British military assets) AND pull off the assassinations at the same time. Maybe Lofwyr - hes always the one for moving chess pieces behind the scenes, after all, and very directly linked to Europe.
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Note that in 2033, Lofwyr wasn't yet heading Saeder-Krupp. It was still Michel Beloit's widow, Wilhelmina Graff-Beloit.
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Note that in 2033, Lofwyr wasn't yet heading Saeder-Krupp. It was still Michel Beloit's widow, Wilhelmina Graff-Beloit.
I know, but he already controlled the majority of shares, most likely, just in secret.
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Note that Michel Beloit died shortly before in 2032, under possibly mysterious circumstances.
There's one other odd occurence - the infamous Nanosecond Buyout that got Damien Knight control of Ares happened the day after the Nightwraith bombings. Coincidence?
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Of course (and if you believe that, I have some land at the coast I'd like to sell you).
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Corporations... the worst enemy, and the best employer. We all know this for true :)
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Note that in 2033, Lofwyr wasn't yet heading Saeder-Krupp. It was still Michel Beloit's widow, Wilhelmina Graff-Beloit.
I know, but he already controlled the majority of shares, most likely, just in secret.
Shareholders, and moreover secret shareholders hidden behind dozen of shell companies, are usually not granted access to a corporation's resources, employees and equipment, especially stealth aircrafts loaded with high-precision munitions (admitting S-K had such things in 2033), especially with no consent from the executive management.
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Unless that secret shareholder is a great dragon that shows up in the Executive Management's office one morning and "asks" for them... ;)
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He is no longer a secret shareholder then. And as far as the books go, Lofwyr did so only in 2036.
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Sorry for the necropost revival.
The pdf 10 Jackpointers has Horizon theorizing that Fianchetto had something to do with the groundside portion of the Nightwraith Incident, as he was in a targeted zone during the time in question and is known to be skilled in wetwork.
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Oh, guess I have to read up on that (file is sitting on my harddrive for quiet a while). Thanks :D
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Oh, hadn't seen this went on...
Note that in 2033, Lofwyr wasn't yet heading Saeder-Krupp. It was still Michel Beloit's widow, Wilhelmina Graff-Beloit.
I know, but he already controlled the majority of shares, most likely, just in secret.
Shareholders, and moreover secret shareholders hidden behind dozen of shell companies, are usually not granted access to a corporation's resources, employees and equipment, especially stealth aircrafts loaded with high-precision munitions (admitting S-K had such things in 2033), especially with no consent from the executive management.
And all those shell companies could start making demands at the same time, forcing the executive management to comply. Which would be suspicious, of course, but then I doubt Miss Graff-Beloit would want to see the European market completely destroyed, either...
Of course, S-K is just one possibility. I just think corporate interests are likely, as said.