Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Catadmin on <12-19-10/0847:38>
-
Does anyone have a rate chart they use for Tamanous or other organ legging sales? I've got a player who's connected and wants to start selling bodies and parts. But I have no idea what prices to use.
I'm looking for Live Body, Dead Body (obviously, the less fresh it is, the lower the rate), the high and low range of organ prices, and the high and low range for limbs. If anyone has ideas, I'd love to hear them.
Thanks in advance.
-
Use the list in Augmentation for Body Part for Typ O (p. 127 or 176), but use the second-hand modifier (-50%) and the street fence modifier (-10% to -50% see SR4A p. 312), too. And after that 30% (as sell price). And if he wants to harvest his organs he has to do a Transplant Surgery, to get it intact.
i.e. an "Eye" would bring him between 300 and 540 Nuyen, if it is intact to sell.
-
Thanks. Apparently I was searching my edocs on the wrong terms.
Appreciate the assistance.
-
You can find Transplant Surgery in Augmentation at p. 127, takes time and skill.
And if you are worried to give him to much, all that Numbers are before you fencing it. So a though sells opponent can downsize the price again.
-
This reminds me of the time my mage needed a few bucks. Killed two birds with one Super Warhawk.
-
Type O being the most common type, I can see how it would be useful for all sorts of transplants, but would other types be worth less or more?
EDIT: Wow. This is becoming a thing. They're drugging or stunning people they take down in their runs and dropping them off at the nearest Tamanous drop point. Live livestock. And apparently I gave the player more money than he expected, even when I gave him less than the formulas suggested.
My players are not nice Shadowrunners. I'm going to have to up the ante.
-
Non-type O would be cheaper, since Type O is universal, whereas all other organs need to be compatible with the recipient. I'd say knock as much as 50% off the price.
Unless you have a plot hook in mind that involves a desperate celebrity who needs a transplant but can't go to a legit clinic, so they're turning to a Street Doc & Tamanous to "make things happen". A run like this, Tamanous or the Street Doc would probably be providing specs on potential targets (or even a specific target) and paying equivalent to an extraction or wetwork.
-
Type O being the most common type, I can see how it would be useful for all sorts of transplants, but would other types be worth less or more?
EDIT: Wow. This is becoming a thing. They're drugging or stunning people they take down in their runs and dropping them off at the nearest Tamanous drop point. Live livestock. And apparently I gave the player more money than he expected, even when I gave him less than the formulas suggested.
My players are not nice Shadowrunners. I'm going to have to up the ante.
If you can find it, watch Max Headroom. The first episode and one other have a great take on body banks. "How much for a live dead body?"
-
I saw Max Headroom when it first came out. I loved that show. @=)
I suppose I should go look up old episodes now to refresh my memory. That's a good idea, though.
-
Non-type O would be cheaper, since Type O is universal, whereas all other organs need to be compatible with the recipient. I'd say knock as much as 50% off the price.
Unless you have a plot hook in mind that involves a desperate celebrity who needs a transplant but can't go to a legit clinic, so they're turning to a Street Doc & Tamanous to "make things happen". A run like this, Tamanous or the Street Doc would probably be providing specs on potential targets (or even a specific target) and paying equivalent to an extraction or wetwork.
Type O should be cheaper, as it can be purchased anywhere. And while it works with virtually all types, it isn't specialized like a specific "type" of tissue would be. The street doc should be paying more based upon the rarity of the gene type and the demand.
-
If you can find it, watch Max Headroom. The first episode and one other have a great take on body banks. "How much for a live dead body?"
Max Headroom? All I could think of is Repo: The Genetic Opera.
"Cause we all end up in a tiny pine box.
A mighty small drop in a mighty dark plot.
And the mighty fine print hastens the trip to our epilogue.
Epilogue!"
-
Type O should be cheaper, as it can be purchased anywhere. And while it works with virtually all types, it isn't specialized like a specific "type" of tissue would be. The street doc should be paying more based upon the rarity of the gene type and the demand.
The specialized / specific tissue of a normal human, being incompatible with most other humans, is of less value on the market, since any compatible donor could, just as easily, get a Type-O "universal donor" organ installed. If it's less value due to fewer potential customers (in the extreme), then it is logically of less value to Tamanous as a random donation. On the other hand, if a specific demand is suddenly created (ie, the politician who doesn't want anyone to know he needs a new heart & thus turns to street docs and organ leggers), then the price skyrockets (hence my mention of prices for an organ legging run with a target in mind).
Think of it this way, if a distributer tries to sell a Response upgrade module that only worked in the Erika Elite commlink to a retail outlet, would that retail outlet pay more, or less, than they would for an equivalent Response upgrade module which worked regardless of commlink? That's the difference between harvesting some corp-sec's organs and dealing in Type-O.
-
Contrary to what the rather blase rules state about implants, regardless of how "neutral" a donor organ is, there is a chance of rejection. Perfect to near-perfect matches will always be better than "mostly good" matches. This isn't listed in any rule (as in a die modifier or some such), it's more of a fluff thing. Which is, unlike wargames which require specific rules and rulings, the other half of the equation for RPG's.
I can, however, see how your statement might be the truth, as well. If specific transplants are cheaper, then they would be the choice of the multitudes of the SINless. I still don't agree, I feel it's the other way around, but I can go with it 30% or so.
-
And if you can't really bring any medical history of the 'donor' with you, the price will probably be significantly cut.
-
Type-O system is a 30 point quality for a reason.
This represents how unbelievably rare Type-O (as in no genetic markers on their cells) people are. Like next to no one has Type-O organs (Fluff mentions one guy. Owen, the O in Type-O.) Type-O blood and Type-O organs are totally different beasts.
Regular bodies should sell for 1¥ per kilo. Ghoul food is likely their only use. The chance that their organs will be useful to someone, (near enough to use them within the time that they are good to use,) is such a minuscule chance that Tamanous wouldn't pay a red cent for that outside possibility.
I suppose if you happen to hit the jackpot and get someone who fits a specific client's needs or something, I don't know, maybe it would be worth harvesting for parts instead of selling as kibble.
Generally though, I'd suspect Tamanous takes living bodes more than dead. The living can be kept fresh as part of organ farms until someone comes along with a need that matches well enough with that donor. By and large, a dead body's organs become unusable very quickly.
-
Or sell to someone in one of the Barrens.
-
Regular bodies should sell for 1¥ per kilo. Ghoul food is likely their only use.
That's what I was wondering, because even though there's a rate chart for body parts, it's very specifically for runners buying the body parts, not selling them.
And Ghoul Kibble is definitely probably going to be part of the use, though if they choose to "recycle" the cyber, I suppose I could give my players a little extra for that. But I'm definitely thinking I priced the first two bodies way to high.
-
I'd say they can get an extra 250Y for a street goon. Not that i find this morally right, but hey, ghouls have to eat something.
-
EDIT: Wow. This is becoming a thing. They're drugging or stunning people they take down in their runs and dropping them off at the nearest Tamanous drop point. Live livestock. And apparently I gave the player more money than he expected, even when I gave him less than the formulas suggested.
My players are not nice Shadowrunners. I'm going to have to up the ante.
Some possible consequences...
- Prices drop from the sudden increase in supply
- Non-Tamanous contacts don't want anything to do with the runners
- Anti-Tamanous groups actively hunt the runners
- Tamanous gives the runners the "company store" treatment
- The Tamanous contact gets taken out
- The Tamanous contact moves up and no longer wants anything to do with the street level
- Tamanous decides the runners are bringing too much attention to them, cutting ties and/or throats
Have fun!
-
Those are brilliant ideas, topcat. Thanks.
-
EDIT: Wow. This is becoming a thing. They're drugging or stunning people they take down in their runs and dropping them off at the nearest Tamanous drop point. Live livestock. And apparently I gave the player more money than he expected, even when I gave him less than the formulas suggested.
My players are not nice Shadowrunners. I'm going to have to up the ante.
Some possible consequences...
- Prices drop from the sudden increase in supply
- Non-Tamanous contacts don't want anything to do with the runners
- Anti-Tamanous groups actively hunt the runners
- Tamanous gives the runners the "company store" treatment
- The Tamanous contact gets taken out
- The Tamanous contact moves up and no longer wants anything to do with the street level
- Tamanous decides the runners are bringing too much attention to them, cutting ties and/or throats
Have fun!
In addition, remember that abducting a living employee is such an internal PR nightmare for a corp that it demands a response. A certain amount of collateral damage is expected from companies that engage in active industrial expionage, and thus not every run will draw enough attention to warrant retribution. Every single run that involves kidnapping employees and selling them as human cattle will cause a man hunt. In addition, whats to keep a johnson or contact from selling the runners out? They have all sorts of expensive implants that could be harvested. No one is going to care if some tamanous puppets end up dead and I can't imagine many contacts would aid an organ-legging fugitive. Also, legit users of implants don't wipe their RFID's. Anytime the hostages/cattle are within range of a wifi network, the runners can be tracked as the hostages implants check for firmware updates, etc. There is enough of a data trail for interested parties and being an organ-legger creates alot of interested parties. How happy would tamanous be if the runner's brought lone star to their doorstep? Shadowrunners rely on a combination of data-balkanization, discretion and being just hard enough to find that it isn't worth the time and resources. Kidnapping and organ-legging isn't very discrete and is heinous enough to cause extra-territorial orginizations to share information. Finally, Stealing everything that isn't bolted down isn't exactly the mark of a professional and those that engage in this kind of behavior won't be hired again. Kidnapping employees is more distateful by several magnitudes. If you were a Johnson, would you hire someone who you knew was going take hostages and sell them for parts?
-
Depends on what I wanted them for. If it was for general mayhem, then yes, they will get hired.
There are plenty of runs that do not involve finesse and subtlety out there to satisfy everyone.