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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: zeththeadeptork on <05-02-15/2033:06>
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i have a minotaur adept was wondering if its possible to make my horns a weapon foci and how would he go about getting it done if so.
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Simple answer? No.
More complicated answer? If you are an adept/mystic adept, you can get a qi focus and have it defined as being engravings/markings on your horns, I guess, with the Killing Hands power in it. But that's as close as its going to get.
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If the workaround on that is no harder than having your horn(s) capped with a weapon focus, or removed / enchanted / surgically regrafted ... why not just say 'yes'?
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Because the 'workaround' does not make the answer 'yes' - it's still a workaround. Depending on what you do, it'll cost you essence (goring horn, anyone?) or be something that can be removed ('horn cap'). But you cannot enchant your horns any more than you can enchant your knee, or your knuckles, or your nose.
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Weapon foci up a spur, or an arm blade, you haven't actually enchanted a part of your body, you enchanted an after market modification.
So the anwer is still no, but also kind of yes. lol
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Seriously, though, if you're an Adept, just grab the Killing Hands power (yes, killing hands would apply to your natural attacks, but not to implanted weapons). No rules-lawyery hijinks, and the only difference between a weapon focus and killing hands is a couple dice to attack, and a whole lot of nuyen and karma spent.
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GM call as far as I'm concerned.
RAW says a weapon focus has to be a melee weapon, which goring horns are according to Run Faster. People on here will argue RAW all day, however, so I'll just say that I'd allow it both because it doesn't unbalance anything as I see it and because it fits my view of the rule of cool.
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@Herr While we have toyed with the idea of enchanting down to the bone on a living body, and hope to get around that whole body blowing up from mana feedback issue someday, the big question is would only weapon focus get a pass at your table due to rule of cool or would you open the door for other enchantments?
As it can certainly lead the way to some interesting effects:
Spell Focus (Manipulation) using the Tongue
Spell Focus (Detection) using the Eye or Ear.
Power Focus using the....well.. nevermind. ;)
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Now imagine Rasputin™ brand power foci.
Didn't need that mental image; thanks Sendaz. ::)
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Sendaz
Comments like that is why we can't have nice things. If you are asking because you genuinely want to know and not because you just want to argue for arguments sake, this is my answer.
If you were a player at my table and came to me asking to get a tongue, eye, ear, or genital focus, I would turn the question tight back at you. How would your character go about enchanting those parts of him or herself?
I don't have a problem accepting that horns can easily be inscribed or marked with magically infused inlays or ink. As far as I am concerned, this is similar to tattoo magic in all the ways that really matter. The same could be said for actually tattooing your ear or even your johnson. How do you propose doing the same for your eyes or tongue, though?
In my opinion, it would be a trivial matter to use a piercing as the actual focus for your tongue, ear, or even genital examples. As stated above, I don't see the original example to be any different from a tattoo focus.
And If you're arguing just to argue, I'll just state in no uncertain terms that i find statements to the effect of "oh, but if you allow x, what's to say a player won't ask for y!?" to be inherently boring. We're playing a game designed around having fun set in a fictional world where magic and technology is capable of feats we can only dream of. So I'll let my imagination be my guiding principle and try to make allowances for player desires as much as possible, even when those situations go beyond or even contradict the RAW. Seems some people just can't wrap their heads around not following "The Rules" to the letter these days, which is fine by me as long as that opinion doesn't also come with an accompanying "But you're playing the game wrong!" if I don't necessarily agree.
This question was asked in the Gear section, not the Rules section. You want to argue the rules as written, take it to the appropriate forum and leave me out of it. I merely provided my opinion as I would apply it at my table.
And with that, I'm out, seeing as I've already provided my personal answer to the original question.
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Sendaz
Comments like that is why we can't have nice things.
And not every comment is a direct attack on you either, rather just seeing what you might allow at your table.
And in case you had not noticed in my first line, we ourselves have dabbled with enchanting down to the bone. In our case it was more along the lines of trying to make a workable orichalcum bone lacing that would work as a focus with mixed success and a lot of mess along the way. And don't forget Frosty and her little implanted focus.
If you are asking because you genuinely want to know and not because you just want to argue for arguments sake, this is my answer.
If you were a player at my table and came to me asking to get a tongue, eye, ear, or genital focus, I would turn the question tight back at you. How would your character go about enchanting those parts of him or herself?
I don't have a problem accepting that horns can easily be inscribed or marked with magically infused inlays or ink. As far as I am concerned, this is similar to tattoo magic in all the ways that really matter. The same could be said for actually tattooing your ear or even your johnson. How do you propose doing the same for your eyes or tongue, though?
In my opinion, it would be a trivial matter to use a piercing as the actual focus for your tongue, ear, or even genital examples. As stated above, I don't see the original example to be any different from a tattoo focus.
You only have to do a quick google search to see tattoos on both the eyes and tongues are already a real thing so someone wanting something that can be carried with them past most searches might be interested in this.
You should read the Liavek series if you can ever find the books. Basic premise is Mages have to invest all of their magic once a year into a focus on their birthday(the one day their power comes forth at will) through which they can cast their spells the rest of the year so long as it is on or very near their person. Destroy the focus and the mage has no mojo until his/her birthday when they can reinvest it.
One story has enemies of one particular mage ambush him just as he was about to perform his annual investment ritual, trapping him naked in a pocket dimension as the hours of his birthday slipped past. Upon releasing him expecting a powerless (for a year anyway) mage they were in for a rude shock as it turns out while he was trapped in the mini dimension with his power he chopped off his own hand and fashioned it into a focus through which he proceeded to stomp his assailants to paste.
While not exactly the same thing, it shows a good Mage doesn't let little things like conventional thinking get in the way. That's half the fun of it.
So while I did it in a tongue in cheek manner, who can resist the possibilities, it was no less a valid question.
As for the remainder of your comments, I'll thank you not to try and pigeonhole me quite so quickly and I do not believe I said anywhere about you playing it wrong.
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As said, short answer is No. Your body parts are not a "Melee Weapon"
That said.
1. Killing Hands if your an Adept would cover your gore attack.
2. Qi Focus as Tatoo/Inscribed runes on horns would cover the same thing.
The closest thing I can come up with for an actual "Weapon" for your horns would be
3. Cyber Implant Weapon of some type, but installed in horns instead of hands. (Hand Blade or Spur would be close as a single "spear" pop out.
Of course that does mean Cyber & the loss of Essence but that is the nature of a Weapon Focus as part of your body.