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Shadowrun General => Gear => Topic started by: JmOz01 on <06-13-15/1411:41>
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I do not have Stolen souls. However I do have hero lab and have been looking at the comments on this item. The comments talk about it being able to dose people, that it has enough for one dose of toxin. Ok, all good. My question has o do with how does it work, is it a gas, what do you use for attacking with it (Does it include an autosoft?) etc...
I suspect Stolen Souls does not have much more than I am able to figure out from Hero Lab, but would like some more information
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(https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0369/63/1419495185425.jpg)
From 4th edition
The Dragonfly is equipped with Targeting (Close Combat) 4
autosoft . The standard version has a DV of 5 (AP 0) against mini- and
microdrones and a DV of 1 (AP +1) against other targets. The anti-vehicle
version has a DV of 3 (AP –1) against vehicles (including mini- and
microdrones) and a DV of 1 (AP+1) against other targets. The C-12
version uses the stats of a High Explosive grenade (one use only).
My rigger also used these as faux mosquitos to collect biometric/dna samples from targets
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My rigger also used these as faux mosquitos
Not to speak poorly of successful usage, but keep in mind they're small drones - the size of a 4e commlink or toaster, roughly.
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My rigger also used these as faux mosquitos
Not to speak poorly of successful usage, but keep in mind they're small drones - the size of a 4e commlink or toaster, roughly.
Maybe he's a CAS runner out of Texas?
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maybe it was a fly spy
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Our (now deceased) rigger used to retrofit them with ultra wideband radar and let out a whole swarm of 'em. Say goodbye to the fog of war.
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My rigger also used these as faux mosquitos
Not to speak poorly of successful usage, but keep in mind they're small drones - the size of a 4e commlink or toaster, roughly.
That's debatable, at best. Drone sizes have never been very clear, and some descriptions put mini and small drones in vastly different actual size categories. I would have played this as an actual dragonfly size, which is still sizeable but not even close to toaster size.
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Microdrone size (body 0)
Shiawase Kanmushi is hard to tell from a natural insect at a glance
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer is smaller than a frisbee, easier to spot than the Kanmushi, but still very small
Minidrone size (body 1)
Horizon Flying Eye is just about eyeball-sized spherical flying drone
MCT Fly-Spy is the size and shape of a large insect
Small drone size (body 2-3)
Aztechnology Crawler is a small crawler that can easily handle stairs and other obstacles. can fit an assault rifle
Lockheed Optic-X2 is the size of a large hawk or other bird of prey
Medium drone size (body 4)
Ares Duelist patrol walk on its two feet like a metahuman seurity guard and have a humanoid profile. can fit two swords and an assault rifle
GM-Nissan Doberman is a tracked perimeter-patrol drone. can fit an assault rifle
MCT-Nissan Roto-Drone is a no-nonsense rotor-wing drone. can fit a rocket launcher
Large Drones (body 5-6)
Cyberspace Designs Dalmatian is a large and robust VTOL recon drone the size of a large hang glider. can fit an assault rifle
Steel Lynx Combat Drone is a hardened ground combat machine on four wheels. can fit a rocket launcher
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Microdrones (Body 0): These insect-sized drones are typically under 10 centimeters in length.
Minidrones (Body 1): The size of a large insect or mouse, minidrones range from 10 to 25 centimeters in length and fit in the palm of one’s hand (or a pocket).
Small Drones (Body 2): These drones range from the size of a commlink or toaster up to the size of a large dog.
Medium Drones (Body 3): Medium drones range from large dog to human or motorcycle-sized.
Large Drones (Body 4): These drones range from the size of a motorcycle to a small car.
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"The Dragonfly is about as large and looks very similar to its natural counterpart, though true insect fl ight is still not technically possible...", Arsenal, p.117 ::)
Which roughly fits the Microdrone description as their natural counterparts have a wingspan from 2 to nearly 20 cm.
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That's wonderful, until you come back to 5e, where;
Cyberspace Designs Dragonfly (small)
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Small Drones (Body 2): These drones range from the size of a commlink or toaster up to the size of a large dog.
So, from a commlink to a large dog. That's a pretty wide range right there...
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Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer: Quiet and durable,
this disc-shaped skimmer is smaller than a frisbee and
can even skim over water.
4th
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer: Quiet and durable, this skimmer
is smaller than a can lid and can even skim over water.
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I get the feeling that description of the sixth world (2075 onwards) has suffered, in part because the loss of nano-fabrication and return to older techniques wasn't given the attention it needed to cement itself as A Relevant Thing™ for the casual reader. It was just a side effect of the latest body snatcher invasion, and the corporations that went under because of it weren't big enough to stand out in the noise of other events.
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Microdrone size (body 0)
Shiawase Kanmushi is hard to tell from a natural insect at a glance
Sikorsky-Bell Microskimmer is smaller than a frisbee, easier to spot than the Kanmushi, but still very small
Minidrone size (body 1)
Horizon Flying Eye is just about eyeball-sized spherical flying drone
MCT Fly-Spy is the size and shape of a large insect
I think CGL got it mixed up !
because to me the Mikroskimmer (Frisbee sized or even can lid sized in 4th ed.) should be a Minidrone and the Fly Spy and Horizon Flying Eye should both be Micro Drones
....I mean , come on, a Frisbee is NEVER smaller than an Eyeball ( not even the Eyeball of a Grey One ;) )
Hough!
Medicineman
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is smaller than a frisbee
is smaller than a can lid
Technically that just tell us that it is not as big as a frisbee nor as big as a can lid. It is smaller than both. ;)
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is smaller than a frisbee
is smaller than a can lid
Technically that just tell us that it is not as big as a frisbee nor as big as a can lid. It is smaller than both. ;)
not Quite
it means it is enlarged !
In SR4A the Microskimmer was smaller than a can lid
now in SR5 it is smaller than a Frisbee, but it must be larger than a can lid, or they would've writtten that, wouldv'e used the same description !
So now the Microskimmer is in Size between a Can Lid and a Frisbee
and that is MUCH bigger than an Eyeball sized or Insect Sized Drone
JahtaHow
Medicineman
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is smaller than a frisbee
is smaller than a can lid
Technically that just tell us that it is not as big as a frisbee nor as big as a can lid. It is smaller than both. ;)
not Quite
it means it is enlarged !
In SR4A the Microskimmer was smaller than a can lid
now in SR5 it is smaller than a Frisbee, but it must be larger than a can lid, or they would've writtten that, wouldv'e used the same description !
So now the Microskimmer is in Size between a Can Lid and a Frisbee
and that is MUCH bigger than an Eyeball sized or Insect Sized Drone
JahtaHow
Medicineman
What type of can are they talking about, though? Because if it's a garbage can lid that is much larger than your typical Frisbee as well. I really would like some better descriptions.
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I / SR4A is speaking of a food can lid.
in SR3 Microskimmer had the Size/diameter of a garbage can lid (Captain America's shield)
in SR4A they shrank to Food can lid ( Triple X Part 2 )
and in SR5 they enlarged again to > Frisbee diameter
with an expanding & shrinking Dance
Medicineman
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to be fair 4th: this skimmer is smaller than a can lid and can even skim over water
5th: is smaller than a frisbee and can even skim over water
so its smaller than a frisbee and smaller than a can lid but easier to spot than the Kanmushi which is a size of a bug
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i would totally argue that there are variations in size for Frisbee's as there are today. a simple google search came up with this image:
(https://discsunlimited.net/image/cache/data/hero/hero_disc_sizes-500x500.jpg)
I'm assuming there referencing mm in those measurements:
mm in
120 = 4.72
160 = 6.29
185 = 7.28
215 = 8.46
235 = 9.25
a 4.72 in diameter object is rather small granted i wouldn't call it a micro-drone. however the book description states its smaller than a Frisbee so therefore it could be 2" who knows?