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Title: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Reaper_Sandard on <12-24-15/1513:50>

This is my first character so i may have mess up a lot. My character is a mix of gunner/rigger to fit his backstory so no hacking here. I am using HeroLab.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRIORITY -------------------------------------------------
Resources A (450k)
Attributes B
Skills C
Meta D (Human)
Magic E (0)

---------------------------------------------------------------------- BASICS -----------------------------------------------------
- Attributes -
Body 3
Agility 4
Reaction 4
Strength 3
Willpower 3
Logic 4
Intuition 4
Charisma 3

- Special Attributes -
Edge 5

- Derived Attributes -
Essence 5.8
Initiative 8+1D6

------------- QUALITIES -------------
- Positive -
Ambidextrous
Bilingual
Juryrigger

- Negative -
Distinctive Style
SINer (Corporate Limited SIN)

-------------------------------------------------------------- ACTIVE ----------------------------------------------------
Armorer 2
Automotive Mechanic 2
Etiquette 2 ( Corporate +2, Street +2)
Firearms Group 3
Gunnery 3
Hardware 2
Perception 2
Pilot Aircraft 5
Pilot Ground Craft 5
Pilot Walker 3

-------------------------------------------------------------- KNOWLEDGE ---------------------------------------------
Corporate Security 1 (EVO Corp +2) - Profession -
Lone Star 1 (Gang Identification +2, Criminal Organizations +2, Lone Star +2) - Street -
Rigger 2 (Drone +2) - Interests -

------------------------------------------- LANGUAGE -------------------------------------
English
Japanese (Native)
Russian (Native)

------------- AUGMENT -------------
Smartlink

----------------------------------------------------------- WEAPONS ----------------------------------------------------
- Cavalier Arms Crokett EBR -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo (100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Folding Stock
Accessories:
Bipod
Silencer/Suppressor
Imaging Scope (Flare Compensation, Low Light Vision, Thermographic Vision, Vision Magnification, Electronic)
Shock Pad

- Fichetti Security 600 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
Mods: Folding Stock, Laser Sight

- SCK Model 100 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
Mods: Folding Stock, Smartgun System

- Unarmed Strike -

------------------------------------------------- ARMOR ---------------------------------------------
- Armor Clothing -
Mods: Concealable Holster

- Armor Jacket -
Mods: Chemical Protection 3, Fire Resistance 3, Insulation 3, Non conductivity 3

- Gas Mask -

------------------------------------- MATRIX -----------------------------------
- Meta Link -

- Proteus Poseidon -
Programs: Clearsight 6, Encryption, Signal Scrub

Data Storage: (2x) Armor, (2x) Guard, (2x) Track

--------------------------------- GEAR -----------------------------
AR Gloves
Biomonitor
(2x) Certified Credstick, Ebony
(3x) Certified Credstick, Gold
(2x) Certified Credstick, Platinum
(2x) Certified Credstick, Silver
(3x) Certified Credstick, Standard
Containment Manacles
Flashlight
Gas Mask
(10x) Light Stick
Maglock 6
(4x) Medkit 6
Micro-Transceiver
(6x) Spare Clips
Tool Kit, Armorer
Tool Kit, Automotive Mechanic
Tool Kit, Hardware

- Googles 6 -
Flare Compensation
Image Link
Low Light Vision
Thermographic Vision

----------------------------------------------------------------- VEHICLES ---------------------------------------------------------------
----- (3x) GMC-Nissan Doberman -----
- Ingram Valiant -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo (100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Gas-Vent System 2, Laser Sight
Accessories: Shock Pad
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Targeting 6

----- (2x) Lockheed Optic-X2 -----
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Stealth 6

----- (2x) MCT-Nissan Roto-drone -----
- Ak-97 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo (100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Gas-Vent System 2
Accessories: Shock Pad
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Targeting 6

----- (3x) Shiawase Kanmushi -----
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Stealth 6

----- (2x) Steel Lynx Combat Drone -----
- Stoner-Ares M202 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo (100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Gas-Vent System 3
Accessories: Shock Pad, Smartgun System (Low Light Vision, Thermographic, Flare Compensation)
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Targeting 6

----- Yamaha Growler -----

----------------------------------------------------------------- SOCIAL ---------------------------------------------------------------
EVO Corp - Corporate Limited SIN
Lifestyles: (12 months) Middle Lifestyle (Extra Secure, Difficult to find)
License: Driving, Weapon

Contacts:
Beat Cop: Mechanic
Connection: 1 Connection: 4
Loyalty: 6 Loyalty: 3

Left-over Karma: 2

EDIT: Ok, taking in all of the suggestions i revised my character, but first so everybody understand, my character is:
1) Not a wait in the van rigger, he's a Sniper Drone Rigger so expect very little or any Matrix Actions
2) The bilingual skill is chosen to fit his backstory
3) I am using HeroLab so if there are any rule contradictions ask the devs
4) This is not the final version as i am still learning the game

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRIORITY -------------------------------------------------
Resources A (450k)
Attributes B
Skills C
Meta D (Human)
Magic E (0)

---------------------------------------------------------------------- BASICS -----------------------------------------------------
- Attributes -
Body 3
Agility 6
Reaction 5
Strength 3
Willpower 3
Logic 4
Intuition 3
Charisma 2

- Special Attributes -
Edge 5

- Derived Attributes -
Essence 4.8
Initiative 8+1D6

------------- QUALITIES -------------
- Positive -
Bilingual
Juryrigger

- Negative -
Distinctive Style
SINer (Corporate Limited SIN)

-------------------------------------------------------------- ACTIVE ----------------------------------------------------
Automotive Mechanic 2
Close Combat Group 2
Gunnery 5 (Ballistic +2)
Hardware 2
Longarms 6 (Sniper Rifle +2)
Perception 4
Pilot Aircraft 6
Pilot Ground Craft 6

-------------------------------------------------------------- KNOWLEDGE ---------------------------------------------
Corporate Security 3 (EVO Corp +2) - Profession -
Lone Star 4 (Gang Identification +2, Criminal Organizations +2) - Street -

------------------------------------------- LANGUAGE -------------------------------------
English
Japanese (Native)
Russian (Native)

------------- AUGMENT -------------
Smartlink
Control Rig 1
----------------------------------------------------------- WEAPONS ----------------------------------------------------
- Ares Desert Strike -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo (100x) APDS (100x)Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Smartgun System
Accessories: Bipod, Silencer/Suppressor, Shock Pad,
Imaging Scope(Low Light Vision, Thermographic Vision, Vision Magnification, external)

- Katana -
- Unarmed Strike -

------------------------------------------------- ARMOR ---------------------------------------------
- Armor Clothing -
Mods: Shock Frills

- Armor Jacket -
Mods: Chemical Protection 3, Fire Resistance 3, Insulation 3, Non conductivity 3

------------------------------------- MATRIX -----------------------------------
- Meta Link -

- Proteus Poseidon -
Programs: Clearsight 6, Encryption, Signal Scrub

Data Storage: Armor, Guard, Track

--------------------------------- GEAR -----------------------------
AR Glovess
(2x) Certified Credstick, Gold
(5x) Certified Credstick, Silver
(2x) Certified Credstick, Standard
Containment Manacles
Flashlight
(10x) Light Stick
(4x) Medkit 4
Micro-Transceiver
(6x) Spare Clips
Tool Kit, Automotive Mechanic
Tool Kit, Hardware

- Googles 6 -
Flare Compensation
Image Link
Thermographic Vision
Vision Enhancement 2

- Maglock 4 -
Anti-Tamper Circuits 3
Biometric Reader

- Camera -
Low Light Vision
Thermographic Vision
Vision Magnification, Electronic
----------------------------------------------------------------- VEHICLES ---------------------------------------------------------------

----- (3x) GMC-Nissan Doberman -----
- AK-97 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
(100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
- Programs -
Evasion 4
Targeting 4

----- Lockheed Optic-X2 -----
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Stealth 6

----- (3x) MCT-Nissan Roto-drone -----
- Ak-97 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
(100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
- Programs -
Evasion 4
Targeting 4

----- Steel Lynx Combat Drone -----
- Stoner-Ares M202 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
(100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Mods: Gas-Vent System 2
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Targeting 6

- (2x) Horizon Flying Eye -
- Programs-
Electronic Warfare 4
Stealth 5

- Cyberspace Designs Dalmation -
- Remington 950 -
Ammunition: (100x) Regular Ammo
(100x) APDS (100x) Stick-n-Shock
Accessories: Image Scope
- Programs -
Evasion 6
Target 6

- Suzuki Mirage -

----------------------------------------------------------------- SOCIAL ---------------------------------------------------------------
EVO Corp - Corporate Limited SIN
Lifestyles: (12 months) Middle Lifestyle (Extra Secure, Difficult to find)
License: Driving, Weapon

Contacts:
Mechanic
Connection: 4
Loyalty: 3[/spoiler]

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Shadowjack on <12-24-15/1603:45>

Welcome to the shadows! Your character looks quite interesting! This character has a lot of potential and a wide range of options. I suspect you may get advice to expand your dice pools but I think you'll have a good time as is. I think it's really neat that you're so focused in aircrafts, that could really pay off in the long run :)

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Haywire on <12-24-15/1702:56>

Skills at character creation cannot have more than one specialization. Gunnery 3 is way too low, you're worse than the drone pilot when it comes to shooting, so why bother?
Also where is your control rig?

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Csjarrat on <12-24-15/1813:19>

I would honestly just hang fire on the rigger stuff as it's just had a major expansion with its own splat book. It contains tons of new rules and vehicles so probably best to start learning the game with a simple character like a street Sam or face and then tackle the advanced vehicle rules with a rigger style character later.
Or, get a sports car, high end commlink and a lvl1 control rig and tag it onto another character role so you can at least do the wheelman aspect of the rigger role.

If you're going drones, you really need the new rules as the main book ones are shit and will die in one shot. The rule expansion gives them armour and allsorts

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: gradivus on <12-24-15/1824:00>

Quote from: Haywire on <12-24-15/1702:56>

Skills at character creation cannot have more than one specialization. Gunnery 3 is way too low, you're worse than the drone pilot when it comes to shooting, so why bother?
Also where is your control rig?

.

Firearm SG 3 and 4 AGI and LOG 4 with Gunnery 3 means you can miss with every weapon in the game except exotics. Oh, and you can miss with exotics too, since you have no skill in those (which is better than wasting skill points and still missing).

Rigger with no control rig is not a rigger.

The camera in the smartgun system is rating 1 which means you can only add 1 vision enhancement to it. The drone on the other hand has a sensor array.

You're not a face so bilingual is 5 points to buy armorer and mechanic at 1 and that would let you add those 4 skill points to gunnery: Gunnery|Ballistic 6|+2. But only if you get a control rig.

1/3 of the time you go once- too slow.

Shock pads are for humans.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Reaper_Sandard on <12-24-15/1904:56>

Thanks everybody for their advice, but like i said before my character is a Gunner/Rigger, he mostly put his drones on auto pilot and use them as a distraction or support, and if he need to pilot them then there is the AR/VR option so no control rig is needed.
Also i am using herolab for character creation so if there are any rule contradiction i am not aware of it, and herolab updated a few day ago with the new book so no problem there Csjarrat.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Haywire on <12-24-15/1957:21>

How are you going to pilot your drones? For piloting them remotely you need a control rig to jump in. Without a control rig, you can drop pilot skills except ground craft and gunnery.
In AR/VR you can send orders to the dog brain, but you cannot pilot them without jumping in. The only way you can pilot them is manually, and it's impossible to drive manually a drone. So, if this is your choice fine, but do not waste points in Pilot skills (except ground craft for driving) and Gunnery.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Reaper_Sandard on <12-24-15/2054:46>

From what i read from other threads, you can control drones remotely without the use of a control rig. Control rig just grants you the option to jump in to the drones.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Haywire on <12-24-15/2127:25>

Sure, but you cannot pilot them remotely. Control Device is the matrix action you're looking for, and has nothing to do with Pilot.
Also, you do not have electronic warfare, that is an important ability for a rigger.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: ZeldaBravo on <12-24-15/2227:54>

Quote from: gradivus on <12-24-15/1824:00>

Firearm SG 3 and 4 AGI and LOG 4 with Gunnery 3 means you can miss with every weapon in the game except exotics.

Okay, I laughed. ;D

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Mestoph on <12-25-15/0638:10>

Shadowrun world is harsh and brutal place and that's why everyone need any initiative boost(wired reflexes are better for riggers imho), RCC is the butter on the bread for any rigger, also not having electronic warfare is asking for decker to geek you and your team with your drones.
Seriously, not having EW as rigger is like being cute girl wearing miniskirt and moving through slums at the midnight.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Haywire on <12-25-15/1614:29>

On the edited character: you still cannot have more than one specialization on a single skill at character creation, you still miss Electronic Warfare. You should probably buy a van for all those drone: how would you get to a lovation without drawing attention? Especially for the illegal Steel lynx. Your drones all lack manouvering autosofts and EW or Clearsight: if they
have to spot someone they roll 6 dices, minus modifiers, and if you issue an order more complex than, say, a single sentence, they will probably get confused (ie "follow that guy in the black suit and shoot him down" should be a thresold 2 test, which your drones would attempt with 3 dices). The RCC is doing not much more than a DR 6 commlink if you do not use programs and share autosofts. What is pilot aircraft 6 doing for you character? You could go with 3-4 and a specialization.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: gradivus on <12-26-15/0156:03>

Pilot Groundcraft| Wheeled 4|+2
Pilot Aircraft|Remote Controlled 4|+2
Electronic Warfare|Sensors 5|+2

instead of

Pilot Groundcraft 6
Pilot Aircraft 6
Perception 4

You should be using the sensors to perceive.
A large drone can have a sensor array of 5.
EW+LOG will consistently get more hits than Perception+INT for this character.

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: Reaper_Sandard on <12-26-15/1118:49>

How do I use EW to defend against attacks from Decker?
Also would it better to get EW as a skill or as an autosoft, What's the difference?

Title: Re: First Shadowrun Character
Post by: gradivus on <12-26-15/1732:27>

EW as software means the dron is making an EW check using it's sensor rather than you using your EW skill (which is probably better) with the drones sensor.

You can create noise with EW which is a negative to the Deckers Matrix DPs. If you have an RCC it's noise reduction is actually a DP and limit bonus to the EW check. And if you run Smoke and Mirrors on your RCC it's more noise. You can get a pretty ridiculous level of noise...so much so that even using your RCC set just for noise reduction might not cancel all the noise.