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Nations occasionally reunify in the real world (i.e. West and East Germany). Will UCAS and CAS ever consider it?
This thread is purely for fun.
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I personally doubt it, as there are a few too many differences at this point. And it wasn't like East/West Germany where they were divvied up after a conflict; they split relatively amicably, and there don't seem to be any issues with citizens crossing the border to visit family.
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The North/South divide is a real thing in US culture, and that is where the split is. (There is an East/West split in Canada...)
And like MijRai said, the seperation happened fairly peacefully and there is no real reason to unify right now for them...
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As a native Georgian, I concur with Reaver. The North/South thing is a longstanding cultural divide in the US, and always has been. At the best of times, North and South have been two brothers that got nothing in common, and don't like eachother much, but they come together for holidays and family reunions and the like. At the worst, well, see the 1860s, which is basically two brothers fighting writ large.
The thing about that analogy, of course, is that while me and my brother might have a knock-down, drag out fight, if someone else attacks my brother, then they gotta deal with me, too. In other words, the only way you're going to see the UCAS and CAS reunite is if there is some overwhelming threat that forces them to set aside their differences. We're talking about something on the level of "the NAN decided to go and revisit that whole 'take back our land' thing", and we see the UCAS and CAS as common enemies against some or all of the NAN. The only other way would be if there was a third Crash, and it kicked the economy long and hard enough that the two countries were in similarly dire straits.
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All valid points, and having lived in the South, I know exactly what you mean.
Question: would Ghost Walker constitute enough of a grave threat that they'd reunify?
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All valid points, and having lived in the South, I know exactly what you mean.
Question: would Ghost Walker constitute enough of a grave threat that they'd reunify?
With a reforged and mentally unhinged Zebulon at his side? Why, I do believe just about any kind of folk would be looking for some of that good ol' fashioned southern hospitality to help them hide from that.
No fight, only hide.
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All valid points, and having lived in the South, I know exactly what you mean.
Question: would Ghost Walker constitute enough of a grave threat that they'd reunify?
Nowhere near the kind of threat it would take. Cooperation, yes certainly, military assistance, maybe, Reunification, absolutely not, not for something of this magnitude, especially after the Azzies demonstrating that you CAN fight a great dragon.
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All valid points, and having lived in the South, I know exactly what you mean.
Question: would Ghost Walker constitute enough of a grave threat that they'd reunify?
Nowhere near the kind of threat it would take. Cooperation, yes certainly, military assistance, maybe, Reunification, absolutely not, not for something of this magnitude, especially after the Azzies demonstrating that you CAN fight a great dragon.
Rosa has the right of it. An angry Great Dragon is the equivalent of a natural disaster, like a hurricane. Horribly devastating if you're in its path, but not an existential threat to the country's survival. And it would take an existential threat, like the NAN attempting to use another Great Ghost Dance and kicking off a war to try and take back ALL the native lands for Reunification to happen. No matter what the New Revolution thinks.
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With a reforged and mentally unhinged Zebulon at his side? Why, I do believe just about any kind of folk would be looking for some of that good ol' fashioned southern hospitality to help them hide from that.
No fight, only hide.
That is scarily accurate, if you were to ask my main runner-character.
As in, that's exactly what he did: Fled the great white wizwyrm's domain, and into the South (New Orleans, Texas specifically). ;p
(My main runner did a "Find and Reform Zebulon" campaign game based on the plot hook from Year of the Comet. He finished the job successfully, but didn't get paid "for some reason" and in fact fled Denver into the CAS. Now Ghostwalker wants him back, alive, for "unstated reasons". I will add that all of this came around before I or of my regular SR playgroup had even heard of In the Clutch of Dragons, let alone read it. :o)
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With a reforged and mentally unhinged Zebulon at his side? Why, I do believe just about any kind of folk would be looking for some of that good ol' fashioned southern hospitality to help them hide from that.
No fight, only hide.
That is scarily accurate, if you were to ask my main runner-character.
As in, that's exactly what he did: Fled the great white wizwyrm's domain, and into the South (New Orleans, Texas specifically). ;p
(My main runner did a "Find and Reform Zebulon" campaign game based on the plot hook from Year of the Comet. He finished the job successfully, but didn't get paid "for some reason" and in fact fled Denver into the CAS. Now Ghostwalker wants him back, alive, for "unstated reasons". I will add that all of this came around before I or of my regular SR playgroup had even heard of In the Clutch of Dragons, let alone read it. :o)
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Oh dear. You gave him the Borrowed Time negative quality after that, right? ;D
Zebulon is actually the main plot point of the mission I'm working on.
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Oh dear. You gave him the Borrowed Time negative quality after that, right? ;D
I have my own little plot to handle this. Lets just say Ghostwalker will only be satisfied with the runner's SAFE capture, for reasons known only to the Wizwyrm and Zebulon.
(The runner in question went into hiding for ~13 years (2064, from the end of his last mission in Denver, to 2077 the "current year" in the game I'm in), and was presumed dead for most of them.
He only resurfaced at the funeral of one of his closest friends and fellow runners then disappeared again.)
Zebulon is actually the main plot point of the mission I'm working on.
Sounds cool to me. I've wondered where that character could go, going forward.
I almost want to compare notes...
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Alright, since a seriously pissed off GW wouldn't spur Reunification, let's go with the idea that NAN decides to go through with the goals of the original GGD.... How long would UCAS and CAS get their collective asses together to reunify?
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Oh dear. You gave him the Borrowed Time negative quality after that, right? ;D
I have my own little plot to handle this. Lets just say Ghostwalker will only be satisfied with the runner's SAFE capture, for reasons known only to the Wizwyrm and Zebulon.
(The runner in question went into hiding for ~13 years (2064, from the end of his last mission in Denver, to 2077 the "current year" in the game I'm in), and was presumed dead for most of them.
He only resurfaced at the funeral of one of his closest friends and fellow runners then disappeared again.)
Zebulon is actually the main plot point of the mission I'm working on.
Sounds cool to me. I've wondered where that character could go, going forward.
I almost want to compare notes...
Well, the mission also occurs in 2135 (in accordance with the timeline established in my stories). So, I have no idea how old your runner would be at that point.
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Well, the mission also occurs in 2135 (in accordance with the timeline established in my stories). So, I have no idea how old your runner would be at that point.
He was born in 2039 so unless some even more ridiculous nonsense happens to him (he ended up turning Drake at the end of the 2064 Denver mission; turns out, exposure to powerful surges in mana can do unexpected things to you) he is almost certainly dead.
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Well, the mission also occurs in 2135 (in accordance with the timeline established in my stories). So, I have no idea how old your runner would be at that point.
He was born in 2039 so unless some even more ridiculous nonsense happens to him (he ended up turning Drake at the end of the 2064 Denver mission; turns out, exposure to powerful surges in mana can do unexpected things to you) he is almost certainly dead.
Actually, no one knows yet how long drakes live. He might very well still be alive.
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Actually, no one knows yet how long drakes live. He might very well still be alive.
Huh...I would have assumed it was the base Metatype, since Bred Drakes are metahumans with "some dragon strapped onto their essence".
But now that I think about it, the lore or rules for Drake aging hasn't actually been discussed or explained.
Something to think about, I suppose.
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Actually, no one knows yet how long drakes live. He might very well still be alive.
Huh...I would have assumed it was the base Metatype, since Bred Drakes are humans with "some dragon strapped onto their essence".
But now that I think about it, the lore or rules for Drake aging hasn't actually been discussed or explained.
Something to think about, I suppose.
I always assumed that they don't live quite as long as true drakes, but still live far longer than most other metahumans (with the exception of elves, maybe). Being a drake would definitely add an interesting twist to the mission for your character. Not necessarily a bad twist, just an interesting, and perhaps extremely lucrative one if he plays his cards right.
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I always assumed that they don't live quite as long as true drakes, but still live far longer than most other metahumans (with the exception of elves, maybe). Being a drake would definitely add an interesting twist to the mission for your character. Not necessarily a bad twist, just an interesting, and perhaps extremely lucrative one if he plays his cards right.
Well, his current mission is trying to figure out what is happening under the waves in the Caribbean-Gulf. (formerly Gulf of Mexico)
He's been feeling inexplicably pulled towards the ocean for the past 3 years, and is now aware of some presence that is "watching" him and millions of others living on the coast.
Last mission, the runner team he's been watching and quietly training up "incidentally" lifted a powerful artifact whose name loosely translates to "The First Tear of Mother Ocean".
He had planned on using the chaos of their mission to steal the artifact himself, but the runner's planning worked better than expected, and he was able to convince them to transport it directly to his ship.
Long term plan: Use the Tear and another artifact to conduct a powerful divination to peer into the depths of the ocean basin, and see just what exactly is really down there.
(if anything; it's possible the stress of all the years of hiding and living half-cocked paranoid is finally getting to him.)
Depending on where the plot goes (I don't know yet)...there might actually be something down there to warrant mutual alarm for the CAS, Aztlan and PCC. ;p
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I always assumed that they don't live quite as long as true drakes, but still live far longer than most other metahumans (with the exception of elves, maybe). Being a drake would definitely add an interesting twist to the mission for your character. Not necessarily a bad twist, just an interesting, and perhaps extremely lucrative one if he plays his cards right.
Well, his current mission is trying to figure out what is happening under the waves in the Caribbean-Gulf. (formerly Gulf of Mexico)
He's been feeling inexplicably pulled towards the ocean for the past 3 years, and is now aware of some presence that is "watching" him and millions of others living on the coast.
Last mission, the runner team he's been watching and quietly training up "incidentally" lifted a powerful artifact whose name loosely translates to "The First Tear of Mother Ocean".
He had planned on using the chaos of their mission to steal the artifact himself, but the runner's planning worked better than expected, and he was able to convince them to transport it directly to his ship.
Long term plan: Use the Tear and another artifact to conduct a powerful divination to peer into the depths of the ocean basin, and see just what exactly is really down there.
(if anything; it's possible the stress of all the years of hiding and living half-cocked paranoid is finally getting to him.)
Depending on where the plot goes (I don't know yet)...there might actually be something down there to warrant mutual alarm for the CAS, Aztlan and PCC. ;p
Ooh, color me intrigued. I certainly hope that goes well for him. If it does, Lord Quecksilber may in fact start actively looking for him, to offer a deal most drakes would be hard pressed to refuse. ;)
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Ooh, color me intrigued. I certainly hope that goes well for him. If it does, Lord Quecksilber may in fact start actively looking for him, to offer a deal most drakes would be hard pressed to refuse. ;)
Not sure if my runner would consider that inspiring or terrifying, if he knew. :o
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Ooh, color me intrigued. I certainly hope that goes well for him. If it does, Lord Quecksilber may in fact start actively looking for him, to offer a deal most drakes would be hard pressed to refuse. ;)
Not sure if my runner would consider that inspiring or terrifying, if he knew. :o
Plug Quecksilber into Google translate from German to English and draw your own conclusions from there. ;D
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Plug Quecksilber into Google translate from German to English and draw your own conclusions from there. ;D
Ah right, Mr. Mercury.
In my game, DF Agents are already en-route to New Orleans following up on a lead for another free drake.
Not sure if the Draco Foundation is still allied with Ghostwalker as of 2077, but the runner would probably try to hide from them too if there's even a small chance they would turn him over to Ghostwalker.
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Plug Quecksilber into Google translate from German to English and draw your own conclusions from there. ;D
Ah right, Mr. Mercury.
In my game, DF Agents are already en-route to New Orleans following up on a lead for another free drake.
Not sure if the Draco Foundation is still allied with Ghostwalker as of 2077, but the runner would probably try to hide from them too if there's even a small chance they would turn him over to Ghostwalker.
I'll give you the small comfort of knowing that he's not THE Mr. Mercury, just A Mr. Mercury. Lord Quecksilber has nothing to do with the Draco Foundation or the Atlantean Foundation, and has no allegiances to any of the great dragons (in fact he told all of them in no uncertain terms to FRAG OFF after their games got his parents killed). His whole thing now is freeing other drakes.
I hear Bavaria is lovely in the spring.
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I'll give you the small comfort of knowing that he's not THE Mr. Mercury, just A Mr. Mercury. Lord Quecksilber has nothing to do with the Draco Foundation or the Atlantean Foundation, and has no allegiances to any of the great dragons (in fact he told all of them in no uncertain terms to FRAG OFF after their games got his parents killed). His whole thing now is freeing other drakes.
Freeing drakes...as in, they work for Quecksilber instead of a great dragon? Is it a budding "free drake city" or "free drake nation"?
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I'll give you the small comfort of knowing that he's not THE Mr. Mercury, just A Mr. Mercury. Lord Quecksilber has nothing to do with the Draco Foundation or the Atlantean Foundation, and has no allegiances to any of the great dragons (in fact he told all of them in no uncertain terms to FRAG OFF after their games got his parents killed). His whole thing now is freeing other drakes.
Freeing drakes...as in, they work for Quecksilber instead of a great dragon? Is it a budding "free drake city" or "free drake nation"?
Not exactly. He is trying to build a what basically amounts to a "free drake army", but it's a bit more complicated than that.
Anywho, I've pulled the thread off-topic long enough. If you want to know more, PM me.
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Alright, since a seriously pissed off GW wouldn't spur Reunification, let's go with the idea that NAN decides to go through with the goals of the original GGD.... How long would UCAS and CAS get their collective asses together to reunify?
Well first of all the NAN is a lot less unified that they used to be, so it is very unlikely that they would decide to pursue such a course, especially also because many of the individual NAN nations have a lot of ties to either UCAS or CAS or both, political and economic mostly, so somemajor events would have to happen for them to go back to their original plan. Second the other side of that coin is of course that the UCAS and CAS also have very different individual ties to the various NAN nations, so Again some major shift in attitudes would have to take place in
North America for them to start thinking more about defending themselves against the NAN than Trading/cooperating with them.
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Alright, since a seriously pissed off GW wouldn't spur Reunification, let's go with the idea that NAN decides to go through with the goals of the original GGD.... How long would UCAS and CAS get their collective asses together to reunify?
Well first of all the NAN is a lot less unified that they used to be, so it is very unlikely that they would decide to pursue such a course, especially also because many of the individual NAN nations have a lot of ties to either UCAS or CAS or both, political and economic mostly, so somemajor events would have to happen for them to go back to their original plan. Second the other side of that coin is of course that the UCAS and CAS also have very different individual ties to the various NAN nations, so Again some major shift in attitudes would have to take place in
North America for them to start thinking more about defending themselves against the NAN than Trading/cooperating with them.
Tbh i do not see this reunification happening any time soon if ever, i understand that it can be tempting to "restore" the old USA, but even if that were to happen, it would be a serious mistake to think it would be like the US is today. First of all, the corps would never give up their power, because if they did, it would start a landslide of nations wanting their mojo back from the corps, so the corps would quite likely fight against such a reunification if it ever became a serious idea. Second of all, besides the NAN, there are many more WHO would not be interested in seeing an American rebirth, Atzlan, Tir Tairngire and quite likely Seattle springs to mind, but there's quite likely more.
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One should also note that the megacorps don't want reunification, either. While they'd probably not favor any further balkanization, the fact is that having several countries, with different laws, that they can play off eachother is good business. You would see a LOT of corp-sponsored runs aimed at stopping any reunification efforts before they really got going.