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I'd heard this news after Tron: Legacy released, and my interest in it revived after watching the original "The Black Hole" movie. The original movie is, as some say, somewhat uneven in quality. Sometimes, it can be terribly silly (the trip to heaven and hell) and childish (the cutesy robots, VINCENT and BoB). Yet there are moments in the movie that are genuinely interesting, suspenseful, creepy, and hold the promise of being part of a great piece of cinema.
The guy who did the new Tron movie is reportedly on board (or wishes to be) for a remake of "The Black Hole." So, here's the question: What did you guys think of the original movie? While the slew of remakes put out by Hollywood makes me nauseous, I think there is definate potential to make a truly excellent movie out of the story of "The Black Hole." What about you?
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Heck why not? I liked the movie, it's a nice popcorn adventure flick. It has typical effects and plot for the day and heck, it's a fun movie. Not much to expect, but there are several themes i think that could be expanded on. For example, they hinted at more robots and the psychic connection some have with humans. There are also indications of some kind of conflict. And yeah, the Robots were cool.
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The design of VINCENT was kind of kiddie, but only with regards to the head. The basic idea behind it was pretty cool.
MAXIMILLIAN was pretty frickin scary.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/The_Gun_Nut/blackholemax.jpg)
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Max is awesome.
Pure awesome.
Scary, and still awesome...
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Maximillion is awesome, not sure if they should do a remake though.
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Considering all the interesting ideas presented, and then ignored, and all the completely out of place kiddie stuff in the movie, I think it is ripe for it.
You can catch it on youtube. Someone put the entirety of it on there. The quality of the film (not the video playback, which looks good, I'm talking about the movie itself) is very uneven. But there are bright points in it that scream to get some good treatment from a filmmaker.
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I think the guy who made the new Tron movie should have to wear a special collar that shocks him every time he thinks about touching someone else's work.
Tim Burton too.
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Why? The new Tron movie was well done, if a bit verbose.
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I think the guy who made the new Tron movie should have to wear a special collar that shocks him every time he thinks about touching someone else's work.
Someone else's work?
You realize that Steven Lisberger was heavily involved with the sequel, right?
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I think the guy who made the new Tron movie should have to wear a special collar that shocks him every time he thinks about touching someone else's work.
*shrug*
Tron: Legacy suffered from the same shortcomings as Tron did. Visually impressive for its time, nothing exciting about the story.
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There were some deeper thoughts and ideas in the story, but they just weren't explicit. Nor were they really touched on in the first movie. They were just played with a little bit in Legacy, but the audience wasn't hit over the head with them. Things like the responsibilities of a creator, and the awareness and wisdom that needs to be exercised when creating.
Heavy stuff but, like I said, the audience wasn't bludgeoned with it, so I can understand why some may miss it or dismiss it.
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I think Black Hole could easily do well with a remake these days. There are two new generations who haven't seen or heard of it and there hasn't been a non-Star Wars space flick in a while (at least, not that I've noticed).
But mostly, I want it because I want to see Vincent, Bob, and Max back. 8)
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I think the Bkack Hole was one ofthe earliest scifi movies I can recall seeing..maybe 20k leagues. I would like to see a redo, but there is so kuch from the first that I would hate to see changed. The look of the Cygnus, the creepy ( sorta ) music, and of course Max. I think adding an Event Horizon vibe would be nifty.
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I was blessed/cursed that Star Wars was the second movie I had ever seen. The first was The Cat from Outer Space.
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I was blessed/cursed that Star Wars was the second movie I had ever seen. The first was The Cat from Outer Space.
Star Wars was my first. And I have some FUNKY memories of it.
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I was blessed/cursed that Star Wars was the second movie I had ever seen. The first was The Cat from Outer Space.
Star Wars was my first. And I have some FUNKY memories of it.
Star Wars Funk? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteABLRYvTk)
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Oddly enough, you can watch the whole thing on YouTube.
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I was blessed/cursed that Star Wars was the second movie I had ever seen. The first was The Cat from Outer Space.
Star Wars was my first. And I have some FUNKY memories of it.
Same here, To this day it still drives me to fury that people say it's "Space Opera" and therefore not Sci-Fi.
Don't think I've ever seen the Black Hole myself.
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I was blessed/cursed that Star Wars was the second movie I had ever seen. The first was The Cat from Outer Space.
Star Wars was my first. And I have some FUNKY memories of it.
Same here, To this day it still drives me to fury that people say it's "Space Opera" and therefore not Sci-Fi.
Don't think I've ever seen the Black Hole myself.
Neither Star Wars nor Star Trek is truly Science Fiction. Both are Science Fantasy.
Neither one takes the science of today (or another historic period) and extrapolates upon it to create a fiction rooted in the sciences (generally as a commentary regarding the sciences).
Both create a fantasy setting (one in the future, one in the distant past), where "science" replaces "Wizardry".
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Neither fish nor fowl nor good red meat...
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Definitely not an Opera though. Space opera is the biggest misnomer in all of film taxonomy.
If there is spoken word, it is NOT an opera.
This from a fan of opera... well, rock opera at least.
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Goth Opera?
Sorry, saw Repo recently. :P
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Repo is awesome.
I think I'll watch it again tonight and stopryboard up another miniplot surrounding bioware repossession...
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Hey, call it "Space Opera", or science fiction, eh. I have learned to have a bit of suspension of disbeleif when it comes to the non-educated. As long as the story is good, and in the case of SW, has some kick ass space battles, I'm all good.
And speaking of Black Hole, this psychic connection between Ms Kate (can't remember her last name) and VINCENT; kind of smacks of technomancy if you put it in an SR context.
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Even worse are the non-educated who try to come off as authorities in the field.
"It was a Bolt-Action Fully-Automatic Machine Gun." :o
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Even worse are the non-educated who try to come off as authorities in the field.
"It was a Bolt-Action Fully-Automatic Machine Gun." :o
Must be a pretty quick bolt.
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From Merriam-Webster
space opera: a futuristic melodramatic fantasy involving space travelers and extraterrestrial beings
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mis·no·mer
[mis-noh-mer] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation.
op·er·a
1 [op-er-uh, op-ruh] Show IPA
–noun
1.
an extended dramatic composition, in which all parts are sung to instrumental accompaniment, that usually includes arias, choruses, and recitatives, and that sometimes includes ballet. Compare comic opera, grand opera.
2.
the form or branch of musical and dramatic art represented by such compositions.
3.
the score or the words of such a composition.
Space opera isn't opera, that's why it's a misnomer.
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mis·no·mer
[mis-noh-mer] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a misapplied or inappropriate name or designation.
op·er·a
1 [op-er-uh, op-ruh] Show IPA
–noun
1.
an extended dramatic composition, in which all parts are sung to instrumental accompaniment, that usually includes arias, choruses, and recitatives, and that sometimes includes ballet. Compare comic opera, grand opera.
2.
the form or branch of musical and dramatic art represented by such compositions.
3.
the score or the words of such a composition.
Space opera isn't opera, that's why it's a misnomer.
And many words have many different uses. Space Opera may not be a technical opera, but it is a standard and accepted method of describing a sub-genre of science fiction.
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And many words have many different uses. Space Opera may not be a technical opera, but it is a standard and accepted method of describing a sub-genre of science fiction.
My pedant meter pegged over the minute I saw the definition for misnomer in there.
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Damn. Now I want to write a Rock Opera. In space. With Heavy Metal.
I think I'll start with a 1960 Corvette on re-entry, and...
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LOL!
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Or just write one around Rush songs. Hell, some of their albums practically ARE rock operas!
Hell, some would even fit in a few places in Shadowrun (http://youtu.be/FAvQSkK8Z8U).
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Eh, call me crazy *waits for it*, but I'm more of a Meatloaf fan when it comes to "rock opera".
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Everyone is a Meatloaf fan for Rock Opera.
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Or dinner. "Meatloaf, again?"