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Title: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: dougansf on <08-02-20/2252:20>: Earth and Water Spirits both have the Binding Power.

The Binding Power has different effects based on the range of the power (LOS, Touch, Self).

What version of the power do these spirits have?
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Stainless Steel Devil Rat on <08-03-20/0932:52>: With it being unspecified, it'll have to fall back to Rule Zero: the GM is always right. GM decides which range your spirit's Binding power has.

As a personal take: I'd lean towards saying summoned spirits have the Touch range.

Edit: Alternately, one might say summoned spirits come with the most restrictive range: Self. Range could be upgraded to touch by selecting binding again via optional bonus power pick, and range could be upgraded again to LOS by picking it a third time.
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: markelphoenix on <08-03-20/1114:41>: The way I thought of it, for Earth and Water elementals, it was both LOS and Touch, giving spirit ability to choose based upon its need.

Would be nice to have actual RAW on this, though.
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Xenon on <08-03-20/1606:58>: Doesn't seem as if this changed that much since 5th edition to be honest...
In 5th edition LOS was mostly for critters that could shoot some sort of webbing.

In 6th edition the only critters that have this power so far are earth and water spirits.
Since materialized spirits are not subject to gravity there would be no point in having Range: Self

Therefor I argue that range on the binding power for earth and water spirits is Touch.

(Having said that; Unlike previous edition, in 6th edition there is no longer any mentioning about materialized spirits not being affected by gravity, so...)
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: dougansf on <08-03-20/1610:30>: Quote from: Xenon on <08-03-20/1606:58>
Since materialized spirits are not subject to gravity there would be no point in having Range: Self

I was wondering about that as well.
Given that Engulf is already an available power to immobilize in close combat, it makes more sense to be that they get the LOS version.

Thanks for the confirmation that it's not in the book somewhere.
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Xenon on <08-03-20/1634:20>: (you can't drag them away with engulf)
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Michael Chandra on <08-04-20/0256:04>: While SR5 said Spirits could all hover/fly, I haven't found anything on that in SR6. So I don't think that rule counts anymore.
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Stainless Steel Devil Rat on <08-04-20/0257:10>: Quote from: Michael Chandra on <08-04-20/0256:04>
While SR5 said Spirits could all hover/fly, I haven't found anything on that in SR6. So I don't think that rule counts anymore.

I'm pretty sure it was an inadvertent omission to neglect to say spirits can fly... but I whole-heartedly support the nerf whether it was accidental or not.
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Xenon on <08-04-20/0335:34>: I would not mind if it is intended that materialized spirits are now earth bound (they can still 'fly' in astral space and when manifesting rather than materializing).

But if that is the intention then Binding would make sense to have range: Self (otherwise water spirits would need a boat to travel over open water...)
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Michael Chandra on <08-04-20/0541:38>: I like the nerf because it puts more value on flying drones. More power to Riggers!
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: Xenon on <08-04-20/0912:23>: Quote from: Michael Chandra on <08-04-20/0541:38>
I like the nerf because it puts more value on flying drones. More power to Riggers!
They also become a lot easier to fight as a melee adept.

edit (which I think is good)
Title: Re: Spirit Power: Binding
Post by: markelphoenix on <08-04-20/1156:09>: I believe Paula is confused about the type of binding we are discussing