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I was rereading Shadows of Asia and caught a reference, potentially, to obsidimen. In the section on Yakut the shadow talk refers to "rock beings" that are not earth elementals. Also the Draco Foundation refers to the place as where the Rock meets the Sky. This sounds like it could be a reference to a Liferock from Earthdawn.
I was always under the impression that eventually the mana levels would rise and the other races from Earthdawn would make an appearence in Shadowrun.
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There's a possible link in Missions 4-0 too
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Couple things about obsidimen (And T'skrang).
Back in the day, FASA SR Line Dev had replied to the question of "Where are the ED races?" by saying that some of the races simply weren't able to survive the down-cycle.
Another possibility is that they require a level of mana to be present that isn't here yet. In 10 years, or 50 years, or 2500 years during this magic cycle, they may start waking up.
Bull
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Except *opens Extraction* oh look, a T'skrang!
=P
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*cough* Pixie Windlings* *cough*
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Except *opens Extraction* oh look, a T'skrang!
=P
Heh. No, Simon just LOOKS a little like one. He's still a changeling. Changelings are, mostly in my unofficial opinion, the result of random bits of incomplete magical DNA that activated due to the unusual mana spike that happened during Year of the Comet. In Simons case... maybe it's coincidence. Maybe he had some T'Skrang DNA. In either case, there's a reason he's both working for and under the watchful eye of Lofwyr.
But I will reiterate... Simon is a fun Easter Egg, but at the end of the day, he is a full-on SURGE Changeling.
Pixies/Sprites are another story. They were slipped in early on. And even then, they're not quite the same as the ED Windlings.
Bull
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Except *opens Extraction* oh look, a T'skrang!
=P
Heh. No, Simon just LOOKS a little like one. He's still a changeling. Changelings are, mostly in my unofficial opinion, the result of random bits of incomplete magical DNA that activated due to the unusual mana spike that happened during Year of the Comet. In Simons case... maybe it's coincidence. Maybe he had some T'Skrang DNA. In either case, there's a reason he's both working for and under the watchful eye of Lofwyr.
But I will reiterate... Simon is a fun Easter Egg, but at the end of the day, he is a full-on SURGE Changeling.
Pixies/Sprites are another story. They were slipped in early on. And even then, they're not quite the same as the ED Windlings.
Bull
Ah I know Bull, just teasing as ever. I think Simon's great though, can't wait to see more of and learn more about him!
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Pixies/Sprites are another story. They were slipped in early on. And even then, they're not quite the same as the ED Windlings.
Bull
"Hey, listen!" "Where's my fraggin' hilariously over-sized flyswatter?"
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Pixies/Sprites are another story. They were slipped in early on. And even then, they're not quite the same as the ED Windlings.
Bull
"Hey, listen!" "Where's my fraggin' hilariously over-sized flyswatter?"
Bird Shot, my friend...Bird shot.
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Or a clever combination of copper-infused silly string and electrical current.
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Or spray them with FAB III.
A bit slower, but no less deadly.
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Couple things about obsidimen (And T'skrang).
Back in the day, FASA SR Line Dev had replied to the question of "Where are the ED races?" by saying that some of the races simply weren't able to survive the down-cycle.
Another possibility is that they require a level of mana to be present that isn't here yet. In 10 years, or 50 years, or 2500 years during this magic cycle, they may start waking up.
Bull
This is what I was thinking as well and what I use as an explanation in my games , though after looking through Running Wild I found pixies, which seeme awfully similar to Windlings. A bit of wishful thinking perhaps, or seeing what I want to see.
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Except *opens Extraction* oh look, a T'skrang!
=P
Heh. No, Simon just LOOKS a little like one. He's still a changeling. Changelings are, mostly in my unofficial opinion, the result of random bits of incomplete magical DNA that activated due to the unusual mana spike that happened during Year of the Comet. In Simons case... maybe it's coincidence. Maybe he had some T'Skrang DNA. In either case, there's a reason he's both working for and under the watchful eye of Lofwyr.
But I will reiterate... Simon is a fun Easter Egg, but at the end of the day, he is a full-on SURGE Changeling.
Pixies/Sprites are another story. They were slipped in early on. And even then, they're not quite the same as the ED Windlings.
Bull
Ah I know Bull, just teasing as ever. I think Simon's great though, can't wait to see more of and learn more about him!
This was my first reaction too when I saw his NERPS card at GenCon this year. :)
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Stone-Skin Surgelings?
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In one of my grand conspiracy theories about the Sixth World, the VITAS plagues were the reason that the ED races never showed up. They were wiped out before they even had a chance to awaken.
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Heh. No, Simon just LOOKS a little like one. He's still a changeling. Changelings are, mostly in my unofficial opinion, the result of random bits of incomplete magical DNA that activated due to the unusual mana spike that happened during Year of the Comet. In Simons case... maybe it's coincidence. Maybe he had some T'Skrang DNA. In either case, there's a reason he's both working for and under the watchful eye of Lofwyr.
But I will reiterate... Simon is a fun Easter Egg, but at the end of the day, he is a full-on SURGE Changeling.
there is a term for anything born "early" compared the necessary mana level, a "spike baby" (SR1, Paranormal Animals of North America)
it fits for any metacritter, including the first newborn elves and dwarves. so it also fits for the first of anyrace brought back by a spike in the mana levels, be it the ghost dance or the comet.
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Here I swore I wouldn't do this...couple years ago, back when I was writing SR, for Hallowe'en I posted my answer to the obsidimen question in SR, a short story entitled The Last Liferock (http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=24165). Not canon, but what is these days?
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Here I swore I wouldn't do this...couple years ago, back when I was writing SR, for Hallowe'en I posted my answer to the obsidimen question in SR, a short story entitled The Last Liferock (http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=24165). Not canon, but what is these days?
your stuff more than some of the "official" things in my eyes . .
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Here I swore I wouldn't do this...couple years ago, back when I was writing SR, for Hallowe'en I posted my answer to the obsidimen question in SR, a short story entitled The Last Liferock (http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=24165). Not canon, but what is these days?
A great story filled with loss, it lends a bit more pathos to the SR setting.
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Ah Obsidimen. Always could find work grinding flour by using their butt cheeks if no adventuring work was to be had.
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Not canon, but what is these days?
Was this necessary?
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I've often speculated that there might be Obsidimen at Uluru - big rock, long revered as being a sacred place, in the middle of a place where there are frequent mana storms, and high levels of magic...
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Not canon, but what is these days?
Was this necessary?
Considering AH's history... Probably felt so. :(
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I've often speculated that there might be Obsidimen at Uluru - big rock, long revered as being a sacred place, in the middle of a place where there are frequent mana storms, and high levels of magic...
Oh dear.
OZ Obsidimen? That will require one HELL of a beer!
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Then there's The Sleeping Giant just outside of Thunder Bay, Ontario.
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I've often speculated that there might be Obsidimen at Uluru - big rock, long revered as being a sacred place, in the middle of a place where there are frequent mana storms, and high levels of magic...
Oh dear.
OZ Obsidimen? That will require one HELL of a beer!
Being an Obsidiman in the desert is thirsty work...
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Being anybody in the desert is thirsty work. :P
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So what would you stat Obsidimen like?
Bod 6 or 7
Str 4 or 5
Armour 2 or 3
No Reach
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Agility -2
Reaction -1
Strength +6
Body +6
Intuition -1
Logic -1
Willpower +0
Charisma -3
Movement Rate 8/20
Natural Armor +3
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Not canon, but what is these days?
Was this necessary?
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Was this necessary?
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There are numerous references to ED things 'leaking' through, IMO. The 'tunnels' appearing throughout the LA Basin during the nukequake (an ancient kaer), the Morel Stone in SRM 04-00 (piece of a liferock, by the sketches), the 'rock-like changeling' that the ex-anti-metahuman Yamatetsu/Evo board member turns into ... Simon. I do admit I enjoy reading through and finding the hints, intended, ongoing, or not, that link SR to ED...
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I remember when YotC was coming out (and then still coming out, and then finally coming out, and then actually coming out ;) ) I thought that they might have used it as an opportunity to bring in the (other) ED races. Wasn't to be. Maybe in SR5, or SR6, depending how long it takes the Mana levels to get high enough. 2112 sounds like a nice number in-game if all else fails ;)
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There was a mention of an artifact in Artifacts Unbound that's name translated as "Life Rock/stone"
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There was a mention of an artifact in Artifacts Unbound that's name translated as "Life Rock/stone"
That sounds interesting!
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Don't forget Lofwyr's T'skrang fixer is in the book too. ;)
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Don't forget Lofwyr's T'skrang fixer is in the book too. ;)
Technically, Changeling....
However, there was mention of an artifact with creatures that looked just like him...
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Don't forget Lofwyr's T'skrang fixer is in the book too. ;)
Technically, Changeling....
However, there was mention of an artifact with creatures that looked just like him...
Technically, yes, he's a SURGE Changeling. But we all know the REAL reason Lofwyr's taken an interest in him... ;)
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Because Lowyr likes to call him Simon (with a lisp) ;)