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Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: Lagernoggin on <08-23-11/1212:38>
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Can anyone point me to anything canon on Sean Laverty's location, activities, intentions or position since the TT revolution? In particular, what became of his estate that lay on the Portland wall (the wall, I know, isn't what it used to be), the Dunkelzahn holdings willed to him, and his current relationship with the TT government.
I have read the TT, and '58 sections in 6WA and the Lugh Surehand section in Street Legends. Any others I missed?
Does Laverty have the same kind of enemies Surehand does?
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Can anyone point me to anything canon on Sean Laverty's location, activities, intentions or position since the TT revolution?
Nope. A Tir Tairngire update is very, very, high on my "to-do" list, once I get the time to submit a formal proposal, for exactly this sort of reason.
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Thankee
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I've been kinda filtering in escaped nobles and hangers in into Seattle in the Tarislar area that are quietly investing in parts of it and building a Tir 'Compound' area that's tightly controlled and secured by Ancients and other sorts. I hadn't considered Laverty, but Lugh sightings have been call occasionally
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Tintagel, Surehand's Paladin who's mentioned in Street Legends, lives in Seattle (and hates it) and is an ex-Ghost combat mage who once ... You'd like him.
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oooooh *looks at shiny tidbit of data* 8)
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He is awesome, and you will see him again.
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Some day, we need sourcebooks for specific areas of the Sixth World which cover the major historical events and changes in an area from SR1 to current day. I am trying to run a 2050s game right now, and material is hard to get my hands on. Plus, i have little time to read what i do have as there are so many separate sourcebooks. We need like a "Seattle through the ages" book or something.
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Some day, we need sourcebooks for specific areas of the Sixth World which cover the major historical events and changes in an area from SR1 to current day. I am trying to run a 2050s game right now, and material is hard to get my hands on. Plus, i have little time to read what i do have as there are so many separate sourcebooks. We need like a "Seattle through the ages" book or something.
Sixth World Almanac is about the closest you'll get to that, I think.
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Eh, that one is all right, but i am really looking for more depth in a single setting rather than a broad covering of hotspots around the world. as it is, i have to dig through multiple Seattle sourcebooks to compare and contrast the differences between the '50s and the current SR4 edition.
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Eh, that one is all right, but i am really looking for more depth in a single setting rather than a broad covering of hotspots around the world. as it is, i have to dig through multiple Seattle sourcebooks to compare and contrast the differences between the '50s and the current SR4 edition.
Right, but the problem then is folks bitching if they buy the latest and greatest Seattle book, and 80% of it is the last several Seattle books (with just 20% new material). The material exists, and those that want to know about Seattle in 2050 can track down that book and read about it. For folks that are only concerned with Seattle in 207_, the last thing we want to do is burden them with 20+ years of history they're not interested in (but are still paying for).
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hmm, true. i just kind of want to slap the books together. Maybe if i get better at pdf editing I'll just do it myself.
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I've been kinda filtering in escaped nobles and hangers in into Seattle in the Tarislar area that are quietly investing in parts of it and building a Tir 'Compound' area that's tightly controlled and secured by Ancients and other sorts. I hadn't considered Laverty, but Lugh sightings have been call occasionally
Don't the Ancients have a lot of reason to hate people like Lugh and the ones working with him?
Many of the Ancients were cast out of their "promised land" by those people and force to flee to Seattle where they end up living in dumps, joining gangs to be safe and have a chance at some food... No?
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No, not really. The Ancients had ties (have?) to the upper nobility and possibly Princes. I can't recall (Critias does because he's an elf except for the ears. Though I did check when I met him face to face), but I know Crit said they do and that's good enough for me since I don't want to fo look.
Laésa is more of the outcasts. Tarislar was always outcasts, and for political reasons as close as I could tell.
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Don't the Ancients have a lot of reason to hate people like Lugh and the ones working with him?
Many of the Ancients were cast out of their "promised land" by those people and force to flee to Seattle where they end up living in dumps, joining gangs to be safe and have a chance at some food... No?
It's varied from edition to edition. Particular Ancients (like GL) were exiled, yes. Others (split with the Laesa) have more recently been refugees, yes; but keep in mind those refugees could have been leaving the Tir for any number of reasons, so classifying them is hard (some could be diehard pro-Tir holdouts who aren't happy with how the coup went down, some could be love-all-metahuman types that left the Tir years and years ago because it was too elfy for their liking). There have also always been strong signs of the Ancients using Sperethiel to communicate, and integrating Tir-style rites and rituals into their own gang initiations and intergang rivalries, suggesting a favorable impression of things back in the Tir.
At times it's been hinted -- or outright stated, even, but I don't have books with me here on campus to cite anything -- that a whole bunch of them are ex-military (which makes sense given the Tir's mandatory service), but also that many are specifically specops types (and given the quasi-mystical side of oaths and ranks in the Tir, being a Ghost means being pretty damned loyal to one Prince or another). Also, you've got to look at their history of successful smuggling (guns and people in particular) in and out of the Tir; logically there's no way they could have done that without connections high up, and those connections have been mentioned before. The presence of a chapter inside the Tir doesn't explain away that level of success, given the page after page about paranoid border security back in the Tir's golden age.
Some are disgruntled exiles, but some aren't. The ones who are pissed off and cranky about it are fine with being pissed off and cranky, the ones with high-up contacts use those high-up contacts, so that while the rank-and-file may or may not care in the slightest about the goings-on of Tir Princes, those with a little more time in the game, a little more refined thinking, and those useful contacts, likely steer the gang -- overall -- in a vaguely "pro-Tir" or at least "maintain ties with those who are pro-Tir" direction.
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Guys, excuse my poor English.
Here in Germany we have that long running fantasy RPG with the same problem: how to keep the world up to date in different geographical regions?
Several years ago they introduced a bi-monthly magazine which updates every regions ongoing timeline - what about such a product? Woluldnt it be easier if you distribute regions to different authors who keep them in development and "on track" within the big picture? IMO it would be better than as it is now, where tidbits of information are scattered without any structure in most of the sourcebooks which makes it almost impossible to keep track of.
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That is an interesting idea.
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... though it has been tried before. Anyone remember Ka-ge??
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... though it has been tried before. Anyone remember Ka-ge??
Remember? Yes. Read/Have-a-copy? No.
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It lasted for a whole 13 issues (I think).
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It lasted for a whole 13 issues (I think).
Yep. The TSS had more issues, IIRC.
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Well, KA-GE and other fanzines have the problem that the information is mostly declared as non-official so its not interesting for the hardcore fans because anything you have there can go against canon. But a canon... lets call it "World Update"-Product in the form of, lets say, online news or sth would be a thing a would go for.
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Can anyone point me to anything canon on Sean Laverty's location, activities, intentions or position since the TT revolution?
Nope. A Tir Tairngire update is very, very, high on my "to-do" list, once I get the time to submit a formal proposal, for exactly this sort of reason.
I know that this may sound a bit ... smitable... but please, if you would write this update...can you pretend...that WAR! never happened?
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As I mentioned in the AU thread, and hinted at here, Alexander "Alec" Tintagel appears in Artifacts Unbound (stats on pp. 134-35, picture of the handsome devil on Page 134).
Tint is a badass. He deserves a proper writeup one of these days. Maybe not for a Street Legends supplement (especially since he's now statted), but maybe enhanced fiction or SOTA or something. In AU he is fulfilling his main purpose as a Surehand's paladin by being a field operative, but he does other stuff.
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I know this is off topic, but why the hate on WAR? Did this book touch people in bad places I apparently don't have? I tried to find threads on it, but my search fu sucks. Not looking for a debate, just a why the hate?
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Many people, for various and sundry reasons, feel it is a shoddy product. For example Bogata is described as being in the jungle and having a port.
I don't have it, and frankly, with the folks I've seen describe its problems being folks I trust opinion-wise, I'm going to stay away from it until there is a compelling reason not to, like errata maybe.
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Many people, for various and sundry reasons, feel it is a shoddy product. For example Bogata is described as being in the jungle and having a port.
I don't have it, and frankly, with the folks I've seen describe its problems being folks I trust opinion-wise, I'm going to stay away from it until there is a compelling reason not to, like errata maybe.
Huh... I just double-checked my copy of War! and I don't see any mention of a port in Bogotá. In fact, during the Getting In section, it only mentions flying in or driving in.
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Someone said something about a map in another thread. Dunno; haven't done much with War! yet.
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Someone said something about a map in another thread. Dunno; haven't done much with War! yet.
That's interesting, since one of the biggest complaints was that War! didn't have a map of Bogata.
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Huh... I just double-checked my copy of War! and I don't see any mention of a port in Bogotá. In fact, during the Getting In section, it only mentions flying in or driving in.
Deadly Waters mentions the port, actually, so it'll also be in the RBB. The Shadowtalk in that book is horrible, however.
That's interesting, since one of the biggest complaints was that War! didn't have a map of Bogata.
The lack of a map is one of my biggest gripes.
The book felt... Forced and unreadable. Too many fingers or not enough editing time, I think.
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hm...imo there are worse things...
Serriously meant dispute of dragons expelling Sirrug, handing over one of their own kin to the Corporate Court...LOL
IDN if this one goes with some previous cannon, but three of those highly territorial beasts, Sirrug, Hualpa and Arleesh having their nests in one city, Manaus, prettty close to ech other and as such vulnerable to single hit
Resources mobilized by Aztlan after Corporate strike, Ghostwalker`s strike, Juan Atzapoalco and Mr. Darke events, and Yuacatan disaster...events that took place at lesss than 15 years from first to last this is a question of simple math...and that Aztlan, that is kept under cautious surveillance from other AAA corps was able to apparently dissobey its mandate for Tempo hits...seems almost that the world just looked away and didnt gave a shit to what happens there. IDN. Ive read sourcebooks that were...more credible IMO is the right term in english...good ideas are mixed with those not-so-good and the outcome really doesnt feel good to me...
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IDN if this one goes with some previous cannon, but three of those highly territorial beasts, Sirrug, Hualpa and Arleesh having their nests in one city, Manaus, prettty close to ech other and as such vulnerable to single hit
War! says those three dragons have lairs in Manaus. But according to Running Wild, Hualpa and Sirrurg primary lairs are respectively in Kuelap, Amazonia (IRL in Peru) and Santos, Amazonia (as far as I can tell, it's in Sao Paulo).
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thanx :)
its been a while ive read Survival of the fittest and Dragons of the 6W, in Running wild Ive missed that...
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Thanks for that asside. I personally like WAR, but I can see how it grated some nerves. Back to the original topic.
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Some day, we need sourcebooks for specific areas of the Sixth World which cover the major historical events and changes in an area from SR1 to current day. I am trying to run a 2050s game right now, and material is hard to get my hands on. Plus, i have little time to read what i do have as there are so many separate sourcebooks. We need like a "Seattle through the ages" book or something.
Try getting the PDFs of the older books through http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/.