Shadowrun
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So I have the old version of Arsenal, and I was wondering what changes there were between the original version and the new version that came out recently, besides the much cooler cover art? Is it worth it to get the new version?
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They probably put in all the errata. I don't know for sure, sorry. :(
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Am I the only one who liked the artwork on the original printing of Arsenal?
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The old art wasn't bad, but the new art is AWESOME!
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Hmm....just checked the new art out.....nope. I like the old one better. The new art looks like it could belong to any modern RPG; it's just a random, bland human guy in a black trenchcoat and sunglasses, bristling with generic guns.
The old art was SHADOWRUN. A badass ork chick posing on top of an armored vehicle with a rocket launcher, surrounded by a wide variety of guns. No offense to the new artist; I don't know what parameters he was given for the project, but the old art looks much more flavorful to me. There should be metas on the cover of ever SR book, IMO. We especially need more Trolls and Dwarves.
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The first printing of Arsenal and the "new" printing of Arsenal are exactly the same except for the page numbers and the cover. They really screwed up the book, losing all of the changes from the second printing and not incorporating the errata. Apparently whomever did the revision used the first printing material. Jason had said they were going to say something shortly after GenCon about the possibility of updating the book to what it should be, but we haven't heard anything about it since a few weeks before GenCon. Unless you don't have Arsenal at all it's just not worth it, and even then I'd hold out until they do the right thing and correct it.
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Thanks, Nebular! That's what I needed to know.
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Hmm....just checked the new art out.....nope. I like the old one better. The new art looks like it could belong to any modern RPG; it's just a random, bland human guy in a black trenchcoat and sunglasses, bristling with generic guns.
The old art was SHADOWRUN. A badass ork chick posing on top of an armored vehicle with a rocket launcher, surrounded by a wide variety of guns. No offense to the new artist; I don't know what parameters he was given for the project, but the old art looks much more flavorful to me. There should be metas on the cover of ever SR book, IMO. We especially need more Trolls and Dwarves.
Pretty sure the new art is an ork also. Take a good look at the face. They both say shadowrun to me. The new art feels more sleek and professional, while the old art had more of the classic punk feel. That said, I like the new art better just because things seem proportioned right.
All said though, I still think that the art from the first page in the book (with the human standing behind the counter, guns on the wall, and an AR display giving data) should have been the cover instead of either piece used.
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Maybe I'm just old, but I want more punks...
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Hmm....just checked the new art out.....nope. I like the old one better. The new art looks like it could belong to any modern RPG; it's just a random, bland human guy in a black trenchcoat and sunglasses, bristling with generic guns.
The old art was SHADOWRUN. A badass ork chick posing on top of an armored vehicle with a rocket launcher, surrounded by a wide variety of guns. No offense to the new artist; I don't know what parameters he was given for the project, but the old art looks much more flavorful to me. There should be metas on the cover of ever SR book, IMO. We especially need more Trolls and Dwarves.
Pretty sure the new art is an ork also. Take a good look at the face. They both say shadowrun to me. The new art feels more sleek and professional, while the old art had more of the classic punk feel. That said, I like the new art better just because things seem proportioned right.
All said though, I still think that the art from the first page in the book (with the human standing behind the counter, guns on the wall, and an AR display giving data) should have been the cover instead of either piece used.
To each their own, but honestly, I can't find anything to love about the new cover. If that guy is an ork, then he's got smaller tusks than the gunslinger adept from the main book. And I refuse to accept the idea that dressing head to toe in black like you're cosplaying as Neo qualifies as "professional".
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And the guy with the fiberoptic mohawk, the leather jacket with the buttons, chains, spikes, and the Anarchy Symbol spray painted on the back is? :P
Professional is what gets the job done. The Armoured Duster has been the "Uniform" of Shadowrunners for a long time now (predating "The Matrix") as you're able to more easily conceal firearms and other gear under it and it protects the legs as well as the torso and arms. FastJack called it the "Standard Streetwear of Shadowrunners" or some such in Street Samurai Catalog way back in '90. ;D
But, to be fair, wearing something that makes you blend in is what is needed, that's professional.
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And the guy with the fiberoptic mohawk, the leather jacket with the buttons, chains, spikes, and the Anarchy Symbol spray painted on the back is? :P
Professional is what gets the job done. The Armoured Duster has been the "Uniform" of Shadowrunners for a long time now (predating "The Matrix") as you're able to more easily conceal firearms and other gear under it and it protects the legs as well as the torso and arms. FastJack called it the "Standard Streetwear of Shadowrunners" or some such in Street Samurai Catalog way back in '90. ;D
But, to be fair, wearing something that makes you blend in is what is needed, that's professional.
The armored duster was the uniform of the gunbunny. Time gone by, deckers looked like deckers, mages looked like mages, shamans looked like shamans, at least in the official art. Also, the duster comes in more colors than just black....wasn't the mage on the cover of the 2nd ed book (reprinted on the inner cover of SR4A) wearing a brown one with western-style tassels?
I don't hate all of the new art; I thought SR4A had nicer art in general than SR4. It just feels like some of the books are almost embarrassed to be Shadowrun, and would rather be some other, more generic shoot 'em up game.
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You mean like this? (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/12/03)
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Sure, why not?
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Maybe I'm just old, but I want more punks...
Or rockers ala SR1? :)
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Maybe I'm just old, but I want more punks...
Or rockers ala SR1? :)
Maybe in a LA campaign.
Or using the Metal Tradition that was put up here awhile back... Yeah, a Metal Magician Rocker.
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I reckon Country is due for a come back in the 2070's ;)
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In the CAS, maybe.
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"Comeback?" Do you guys have any idea how popular and profitable country music is right now? Three of the nation's top-ten selling artists (including #1 and #3) are in country right now.
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I'd also point out that there's a couple big name country stars that are Canadian. And I live in northern Ohio, and Country's pretty popular out here.
So it's not just a "South" thing.
Bull
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I'd also point out that there's a couple big name country stars that are Canadian. And I live in northern Ohio, and Country's pretty popular out here.
So it's not just a "South" thing.
Bull
Agreed. It is a "places not fortunate enough to have Rock" thing.
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I'd also point out that there's a couple big name country stars that are Canadian. And I live in northern Ohio, and Country's pretty popular out here.
So it's not just a "South" thing.
Bull
North and South here indeed, which means massively different things in Canada than it does in the US.
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Agreed. It is a "places not fortunate enough to have Rock" thing.
I don't get this either. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just around the corner from me.
I'll let you in on a secret. I have a Satellite Radio in my van. I have three stations I primarily listen to: The comedy station, The Boneyard (Classic Hard Rock, Metallica, AC/DC, Judas Priest, iron Maiden, etc), and Prime Country (Mostly late 80's/early 90's Country).
I love me some rock. Anyone who knows me will tell you I'm a huge AC/DC fan. But there's a lot of really good, fun country out there too. (And hey, if you like any of The Eagles or Lynyrd Skynyrd? You like Country too. :))
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I have for a variety of reasons, very little love for Southern pop culture (read: I'm raised in the north, mixed heritage, fairly liberal).
That said, I've got nothing but love for Johnny Cash and country music of that ilk. I think country gets lumped in with the rest of the "Red State" stuff for a lot of people (NASCAR, Larry the Cable Guy, etc.). Even setting politics aside, there's a pretty wide scope of country, from stuff that isn't too far from rock to straight-up hillbilly music.
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I'll find NASCAR interesting when they try it Canadian style.
On ice!
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I'll find NASCAR interesting when they try it Canadian style.
On ice!
True story: I went through a brief period where I was obsessed with NASCAR Racing 2 of the PC as a kid.
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"Comeback?" Do you guys have any idea how popular and profitable country music is right now? Three of the nation's top-ten selling artists (including #1 and #3) are in country right now.
I know, but there is a lot of music to happen between now and the 2080's, hence my use of the term "comeback".
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"Mamas, don't let your boys grow up to be 'runners...
'Runners love smokey barrooms, and shadowy alleys..."
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Fun Fact: Bull the Ork Decker is a country music fan. Bull's twin children were named Reba and Billy for a reason (Though the GM came up with the names, Bull's wife was a country fan too. :)
(It had nothing to do with the fact I liked Country some... i'm not a huge fan, but I do like it. It was more because it was an early running joke with another player that we would both try and get the DJ at the bar we hung out at to play "our" music... Country for me, Classic Bruce Spingsteen for him)
Bull
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You know, I bet you that Orks and Trolls could play the Blues like no one else in the Sixth World!