Shadowrun
Shadowrun General => The Secret History => Topic started by: Thriller on <04-23-12/0427:41>
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Hi folks,
It's been bugging me for years as ti what happened to Nadja over the past nine years; and after first discovering this form and then reading the discussion about Nadja, I believe I have a simple in non-canon explanation: Nadja learned what happen to to the President (executed by Colloton's orders) and decided to hide until Colloton was no longer in control...however long that took. It's a simple clear cut explanation, and one that only someone with Nadja's resources might pull off.
And on a related note, if I remember correctly, wasn't if either implied or stated in Buring Brigh that Colloton was infected with a mantis spirit. Unfortunately that volume has disappeared, but I seem to recall that Colloton and someone else were discussing what to do next over the body of a dead FBI agent.
IF I have remembered incorrectly my apologies to Tom Dowd.
Thriller
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Colloton isn't in Burning Bright. I think you're thinking of Anne Penchyk, who was linked to the mantids in the Desolation Angels. She became the Republican presidential nominee after her running mate, presidential nominee Gen. Franklin Yeats, was killed by said mantids for being one of the Secret Hive's good merge wasp spirits during the events of Dead Run in Shadows of the Underworld.
:D
Anyway, if Daviar knew of that then she should have been able to simply order Colloton to be arrested since Haeffner's death made Daviar the President of the UCAS and Commander in Chief. Just saying. ::)
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Yeah, Daviar's vanishing bugs me due to that. The post-assassination president just up and *vanishes*? Gadzooks!
Mind you, there was a lot of chaos and turmoil there, so somebody had to have gone "SCrew it, grab whomever's in line after that that we CAN find and call it a day. Stuff is blowing up all over!"
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/Dons his yellow shooting glasses and vest as he eyes Wak.
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Like so?
(http://playstationeu.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/53420iC773CF4D9CEC6768/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1)
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Steve Bushemi didn't get away in that movie. "I am the walrus" "Shut up Donnie!"
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How come the public, after it all calmed down, never went... "So Nadja, our vice-president and technically president... what happened to her?" or is she the Hoffer of the 2060s? Its weird that she vanished, no body or anything, and there was limited investigation or public outcry for her? If such a high profile public figure can go missing without much of a ripple, what hope does joe public really have! (ok, slightly melodramic...)
I assume (hope perhaps the better word) that we find the truth (with a suitable number of additional questions) in one of the up coming releases...
PS: Who thinks Nadja is a Drake or even a Dragon?
PSS: there is no way Damien Knight does not know what happened. She and him have history and Damien is not the type to go 'so X has vanished? Oh well...'. He would have had people looking for the truth... unless his the reason she went missing... and then the cover-up becomes slightly more pausable...
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Like so?
I don't have the snazzy flattop, but yes.
Jesus Christ. I look like Walter Sobchak with better hair. :(
How come the public, after it all calmed down, never went... "So Nadja, our vice-president and technically president... what happened to her?"
Because the Shadowrun world is written by people, and those people did not write much about her until last year.
PS: Who thinks Nadja is a Drake or even a Dragon?
/shrugs
There are already eleven possibilities Plan 9 lists in Conspiracy Theories. Her being the real Nadja? Not one of them. Neither were those two. That probably doesn't mean anything other than Plan 9 has put a great deal of thought into how you can return from the dead in Shadowrun.
PSS: there is no way Damien Knight does not know what happened. She and him have history and Damien is not the type to go 'so X has vanished? Oh well...'. He would have had people looking for the truth... unless his the reason she went missing... and then the cover-up becomes slightly more pausable...
Maybe
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There are at least fifteen possibilities in my mind about what's going on with her, none of which can be proven as all the data has been redacted, the witnesses disappeared, or it happened in a place where there could be no evidence.
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VPs in SPAAAACE! Maybe? In that orbital resort...
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/Dons his yellow shooting glasses and vest as he eyes Wak.
You know, I've never seen that movie. I don't understand the whole "The dude abides" thing at all.
It's something about bowling?
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It's something about being a lazy ass, drinking white russians, and just going with life as it comes.
It's having the chutzpah to say, "I think I saw it, let me look again." to the guy that just tried to drown you while demanding to know where the money is.
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/Dons his yellow shooting glasses and vest as he eyes Wak.
You know, I've never seen that movie. I don't understand the whole "The dude abides" thing at all.
It's something about bowling?
The Dude is an unreformed hippie, AKA a worthless, lazy bum. If he could be bothered, it's probably based on some nonsense half-assedly appropriated from Zen Buddhism and passive ... Ugh. Hippies suck.
More importantly, Walter is based on John Milius, who wrote Red Dawn (Oh, and Apocalypse Now. He also directed Conan the Barbarian. But seriously, consider the mind of the man who wrote Red Dawn).
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/10/john-milius-explains-apocalypse-now-his-hatred-of-hippies (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/10/john-milius-explains-apocalypse-now-his-hatred-of-hippies)
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2011/09/video-arnold-schwarzenegger-john-milius-on-conan (http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2011/09/video-arnold-schwarzenegger-john-milius-on-conan)
I assumed that you had seen in since everyone else I know has (like it or not) and it was a way of me getting away with yelling at you like Walter yells at Steve Buscemi's character without actually saying, "You're out of your element!" because she's one of my pet characters. Because that response is what rational people do when someone tries to help answer a sincere question. ::)
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Not all Hippies are worthless lazy bums. But the point is made.
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Had to roll that one around in my head a sec, but, I get it (I think).
I knew that you were the go-to for all things Daviar. :)
I haven't sat down today to work on the next chapter of my thing yet... that midnight to 3 AM zone tends to be the best for churning butter. I might wind up needing to tap your head for something military-ish.
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I edited the post to be more clear (hopefully). Basically, I was being a dick.
So getting back on topic, it's just not clear what happened, and the one character who knows hasn't said.
While Burning Bright doesn't implicate Colloton into a mantis spirit conspiracy, the UCAS federal government as described in Conspiracy Theories looks an awful lot like a gynocracy. ;) And Penchyk is still around.
As for where she went and who knows, it depends on who expended what resources, and how they did it. Ehran the Scribe doesn't run the DIMR (although he's the only person mentioned, so most people probably think he does), and the Vice Chair of the Draco Foundation was almost certainly the most skilled nethermancer on Earth. Another board member, Grace Friel, is reputed for being able to find anyone anywhere in the Matrix.
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I edited the post to be more clear (hopefully). Basically, I was being a dick.
Piffle! I don't take anything personal. You've been a good guy for, like, ever. We're not always on the same page, but it's cool. Heck, I crib some of your lines to get a nice tone for some of the Jackpointers now. :D
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Oh God.
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So the take away is Daviar is a G.D. Hippie? ;D
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Well, she does dabble in pacifism (five point Pacifist Quality).
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So the take away is Daviar is a G.D. Hippie? ;D
Well, she does dabble in pacifism (five point Pacifist Quality).
Tree-Hugging Hippie Drek in Shadowrun?
I thought that was a sure way towards suicide!
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Well, maybe only in Amazonia where the trees try to eat you.
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Thorn: You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.
Fianchetto: And, you know, she's got emotional problems, man.
Thorn: You mean... beyond pacifism?
Also, Wak! You must watch the movie. I want a full report by Friday.
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Also, Wak! You must watch the movie. I want a full report by Friday.
Yeesh. I still have yesterday's Monday Night Raw, two weeks of My Little Pony, Avatar: the Legend of Korra, a Game of Thrones DVD set, and Skyrim, all waiting for me. I've sworn off games until I get my current book finished for Mr Hardy, then I have the political campaign to prep for NEXT month, so, I have a dance card that's filled to bursting as it is.
I don't think I'll have time for a bowling movie, but, if I get a window, I'll let you know.
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It's much more than a bowling movie. There's intrigue, mystery, love, betrayal, and much more. Plus it's one of the most quotable movies I've seen. Seriously, it's not just about bowling.
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Anyway, I may as well just take over this thread and say that since Nadja is one of my babies, if you have anything to share (comments, questions, "Fuck yous") you may as well say it here.
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It's much more than a bowling movie. There's intrigue, mystery, love, betrayal, and much more. Plus it's one of the most quotable movies I've seen. Seriously, it's not just about bowling.
There's also a dream that's out of a drug habit, and a really good interrogation tactic that I should steal someday.
No, I'm not talking about the toilet.
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Nice marmot.
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I've noticed it's very easy to get me to go off the rails.
I've always found Nadja to be an interesting character and have wondered about a connection between her and Claudia Romanov. My biggest complaint is the lack of info regarding what happened during the coup. All we know is she was in Seattle, Roth tried to kill her, ????, profit!
Edit- My style of interrogation is a mix of Jackie Treehorn and the Sheriff of Malibu.
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The material on the failed coup/insurrection was sparse enough in SR4 that it was easy to not know it ever happened until I came onboard. There are plenty of liberties to be taken, but a violent insurrection in North America and the successful counterinsurrection should have been a much bigger deal. It was not even clear in the material until I took some stabs at it to indicate the scope of the event.
I've pretty much been allowed to incorporate the broad strokes of my original material re: Roth and Daviar from years ago. However, there are some very significant differences between what I wrote in 2005 and what is canon (Plenty should be obvious just from comparing TNF and Roth's writeup in SOTA73). One thing that hasn't changed (yet?) is that the last time Daviar saw Samantha Roth was when the colonel took a bullet to the head to save her life. What either knows about the other beyond that is not for you to know right now. ;) But, yes, I am still working from the angle that Roth was going to let Daviar die ... Until she did not.
As for Romanov, the connection or lack thereof between her and Daviar is pretty much how it appears. The Devil is in the details.
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Well Daviar is one of my favorite characters, along with Ryan Mercury, Kane, Kat o'Nine Tales and Slamm'0!. I wonder what's coming next in her story.
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Kane needs more love.
And ammo. ;D
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Kane gets his ammo in shiploads, and that's not enough?!?
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Is there ever really enough ammo?
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Kane gets his ammo in shiploads, and that's not enough?!?
Is there ever really enough ammo?
The way he goes through it?
Happiness is a belt-fed weapon and a target rich environment. ;D
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Kane is a joy to write for, as is Slamm-o!, while Bull is a nice treat.
I don't use Kat much, and I, personally, don't plan on ever doing anything with Ryan Mercury, but somebody might (Probably James since, well, Daviar and all that.)
I don't think anyone's quite as fun to write for as Plan 9, however. "Yeah, this is kinda far out, but, can I take it further? Oh hey! Plan 9! You'll fly this puppy ANYwhere!"
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I took Plan 9 to Santa Claus! ;D
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Is there ever really enough ammo?
Three things there's never enough of ammo, rum, and targets.
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Three things there's never enough of ammo, rum, and targets.
And they're always proportional to one another.
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Kane needs more love.
And ammo. ;D
Kane doesn't need luck. He has ammo.