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Just bought this last night. Really like it, and give it 6 stars out of 5. ;) I can't wait until Euro War Antiques is released. I do have one question, on the BTR-20 APC Clockwork calls himself a dwarf, and back in Runner's Companion he is called a hobgoblin. Which is it?
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Hobgoblin.
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I wouldn't put it past someone like Slamm-O! to 'accidentally' edit Clockwork's posts for fun.
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Yeah, Clockwork is openly hostile to Slamm-O's lady after all.
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Yeah, Clockwork is openly hostile to Slamm-O's lady after all.
Not to mention what he said about Slamm-0!'s kid.
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If it was Plan 9 I would have assumed it was just another surgery.
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Yeah, Clockwork is openly hostile to Slamm-O's lady after all.
Not to mention what he said about Slamm-0!'s kid.
Seriously, when the hell are the Jackpointers going to get fed up with him and force feed him some well-deserved humble pie? Or a piping hot serving of lead?
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Well, JackPoint has rules about that sort of thing...
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Well, JackPoint has rules about that sort of thing...
Exactly. Of course, eventually they are going to get tired of Clockwork's antics, unless he learns to shut his mouth, and you'll see Slamm-O!, Netcat, Pistons, and Puck all team up to track Clockwork down outside of Jackpoint, and make sure he pays. Clockwork may be a good rigger, but against two hackers and two technomancers, and whatever allies they might be able to call on ("Hey Kane, you want to have some fun?"), as well as other Jackpointers who may still hold a grudge for Clockwork selling out one of their own...
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Clockwork, however, does have a good niche in the JackPoint, and even Slamm-0! admits it. Now, admittedly, this might be Slamm-0!'s 1337 Trolling skillz, but he gave Clockwork props for telling him everything he's been doing wrong and that could get him killed.
For the rest of the group, don't forget that a LOT of the tech stuff (IE: Almost every gear book!) is written or co-written by Clockwork. He does a lot for the JackPoint in the background, and it's only in the Shadowtalk that we see the problems occurring. He's kind of like that Uncle you don't want to admit you're related to, but has so damned handy skills when things go wrong (And makes some really good 'shine.).
That said, he is probably one more "screw over Netcat IRL" away from being taken out by the rest of the group. Kane might do it for dreks and giggles.
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Then again, Kane would steal the First Aztlan Bank for dreks and giggles, so that's not saying much. (And by "Steal the bank", I mean the whole damned building, not just rob the place.).
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Honestly? I think Clockwork's contributions on the tech side of things are the only reason he hasn't been taken out already. He's pissed off some key members of the group, but worse, he's lost any allies he might have had because of his "I'd sell you out in a heartbeat too" attitude. The only ones I could possibly see coming to his aid are Riser and Haze, and even then they would require heavy paychecks, in advance.
I agree, though, that Netcat and Co. won't move to take down Clockwork (not counting if they happen to be on opposite sides of a job) unless he tries to sell out or kill Netcat or her kid again. Then the gloves will come off.
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I tend to err on the side that they don't provoke Clockwork because he's just better than they are. Slamm-O might be a second generation rigger and Netcat's a technomancer, but Clockwork wrote the book that everyone else is studying from. They may realize that they got lucky once, but Slamm-O and Netcat have a lot more to lose by disturbing the status quo, so they let him sling his barbs because if they stop him from talking a mild amount of crap, he may get it right the second time.
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Seriously, when the hell are the Jackpointers going to get fed up with him and force feed him some well-deserved humble pie? Or a piping hot serving of lead?
You are not the only one to have asked this question. Not by a long shot.
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I tend to err on the side that they don't provoke Clockwork because he's just better than they are.
It's my personal opinion that you over-state his skill level a bit, or you don't factor his ego and hubris into things. I have absolutely nothing factual to base that on, it's just my gut talking, but while he's good, Clockwork's also cocky. Cockier than Slamm-0! by a damn sight (and that's a fairly bold statement).
You may well turn out to be right, but there's something telling me that it's probably a bit closer to even than you state.
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I'm speculating that he'd have to have a sizable advantage, or at least that they think he's got one. If Slamm-O and Netcat thought they had a decent shot at putting him out of their misery, I imagine that they'd take it.
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Clockwork's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. Namely, that he's a rigger. Riggers rely primarily on their drones to fight. Hackers, on the other hand, excel at taking over and turning a system against the user. Take, for example, the game that Netcat and Slamm-O! played in the SR4A book. Sure, a surveillance drone won't have the same kind of security as Clockwork's combat drones, but if they subvert a couple of his drones, and make them target the drones he still has control over, that negates Clockwork's biggest strength, and also serves as a distraction for someone else to get in close to his meat. That's just one scenario, obviously, but the point is that Clockwork is one person, and Netcat has allies, in the Matrix and out.
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I agree, though, that Netcat and Co. won't move to take down Clockwork (not counting if they happen to be on opposite sides of a job) unless he tries to sell out or kill Netcat or her kid again. Then the gloves will come off.
Wait. :o
AGAIN?
That's a thing that happened ONCE???
I would think that's one time too damn many. To me that's worth putting a special little file in one of his drones or emails that, when he opens it, puts a BTL of a snuff film of a guy being eaten by insect spirits on his system that plays whenever he does anything on his commlink or drones that could be considered as using it. Holy Mother, now I hate him even more!
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Seriously, when the hell are the Jackpointers going to get fed up with him and force feed him some well-deserved humble pie? Or a piping hot serving of lead?
You are not the only one to have asked this question. Not by a long shot.
I am infinitely glad that I am not the only one who thinks so. ;D
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I agree, though, that Netcat and Co. won't move to take down Clockwork (not counting if they happen to be on opposite sides of a job) unless he tries to sell out or kill Netcat or her kid again. Then the gloves will come off.
Wait. :o
AGAIN?
That's a thing that happened ONCE???
I would think that's one time too damn many. To me that's worth putting a special little file in one of his drones or emails that, when he opens it, puts a BTL of a snuff film of a guy being eaten by insect spirits on his system that plays whenever he does anything on his commlink or drones that could be considered as using it. Holy Mother, now I hate him even more!
Read the Emergence campaign. He tried to sell Netcat to NeoNET, knowing they'd do nice, skull-cutty experiments on her. Also, in the Conspiracy Theories book, he had drones shoot her. And in Street Legends Supplemental, it became clear that he's apparently doing surveillance on her safehouse, since he got close enough to see her kid. At which point Fastjack himself said that if anything happened to the kid because of the feud, he would personally take it to Clockwork.
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Read the Emergence campaign. He tried to sell Netcat to NeoNET, knowing they'd do nice, skull-cutty experiments on her. Also, in the Conspiracy Theories book, he had drones shoot her. And in Street Legends Supplemental, it became clear that he's apparently doing surveillance on her safehouse, since he got close enough to see her kid. At which point Fastjack himself said that if anything happened to the kid because of the feud, he would personally take it to Clockwork.
Why bother with a verbal warning? He sounds like a LOL-GRIMDARK MEANS I CAN BACKSTAB PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS-ROTFLOL That Guy in that world. Why not lock him out of his drones, cause them to fight each other to their death at a random time, or reprogram them to fly over to Honest Abdul's Used Camel Drones and have them sold for a tenth of their original asking price if he even so much as uses his commlink within a radius of a mile near Netcat or her kid, who's likely been implanted with a security RFID tag FOR THAT EXACT REASON?
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I just got this book yesterday and I have to say that it is full of awesome.
But... Why oh why have they not released the pdf yet? It's so much easier carrying my SR4 collection on my phone. :P
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Read the Emergence campaign. He tried to sell Netcat to NeoNET, knowing they'd do nice, skull-cutty experiments on her. Also, in the Conspiracy Theories book, he had drones shoot her. And in Street Legends Supplemental, it became clear that he's apparently doing surveillance on her safehouse, since he got close enough to see her kid. At which point Fastjack himself said that if anything happened to the kid because of the feud, he would personally take it to Clockwork.
Why bother with a verbal warning? He sounds like a LOL-GRIMDARK MEANS I CAN BACKSTAB PEOPLE WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS-ROTFLOL That Guy in that world. Why not lock him out of his drones, cause them to fight each other to their death at a random time, or reprogram them to fly over to Honest Abdul's Used Camel Drones and have them sold for a tenth of their original asking price if he even so much as uses his commlink within a radius of a mile near Netcat or her kid, who's likely been implanted with a security RFID tag FOR THAT EXACT REASON?
Same reason it's not a good idea to off any 'runner: he has friends. Yes, even Clockwork. Some Jackpointers like him, consider him a friend. Overt action will start a war.
Also, it's been revealed that Horizon's been playing games with them all. Clockwork's been manipulated to hate and fear technos more than he normally would have.
I don't recall if they Jackpointers are aware of that or not though, I think it's in Street Legends.
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I just got this book yesterday and I have to say that it is full of awesome.
But... Why oh why have they not released the pdf yet? It's so much easier carrying my SR4 collection on my phone. :P
It's a physical collection of gear from PDF only products, there wont be any PDF of it.
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I just got this book yesterday and I have to say that it is full of awesome.
But... Why oh why have they not released the pdf yet? It's so much easier carrying my SR4 collection on my phone. :P
It's a physical collection of gear from PDF only products, there wont be any PDF of it.
I've been told there are vehicles and weapons that are in this book and not in the PDF versions. Are you sure this book doesn't contain additional gear not listed in the PDFs? Example vehicle is the Shiawase Motors Shuriken (motorcycle) which I'm told is only in the Runner's Black Book but when I look through the PDFs I have (MilTech Spec 1 and 2; Deadly Waves; This Old Drone, Unfriendly Skies, Used Car Lot and Gun Heaven 1 and 2) this particular vehicle is not listed. Or am I missing a PDF I'm not aware of?
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I just got this book yesterday and I have to say that it is full of awesome.
But... Why oh why have they not released the pdf yet? It's so much easier carrying my SR4 collection on my phone. :P
It's a physical collection of gear from PDF only products, there wont be any PDF of it.
I've been told there are vehicles and weapons that are in this book and not in the PDF versions. Are you sure this book doesn't contain additional gear not listed in the PDFs? Example vehicle is the Shiawase Motors Shuriken (motorcycle) which I'm told is only in the Runner's Black Book but when I look through the PDFs I have (MilTech Spec 1 and 2; Deadly Waves; This Old Drone, Unfriendly Skies, Used Car Lot and Gun Heaven 1 and 2) this particular vehicle is not listed. Or am I missing a PDF I'm not aware of?
Not sure about the new one, but the first Runners Black Book did have unique stuff, and it was dead-tree only as well.
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I can also confirm that DTF versions of the book take up less space/mass than print-outs of the PDF-files. Even with the new stuff in them.
I loves me my RBB-1 for that alone.
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Clockwork had Netcat pretty much at his mercy once (in a fiction piece) and didn't take her or Pistons out. It does make you wonder what else might be going on.
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Clockwork had Netcat pretty much at his mercy once (in a fiction piece) and didn't take her or Pistons out. It does make you wonder what else might be going on.
You mean aside from the fact that Slamm-0! would pull out all the stops, use every connection he has (Including Kane and /dev/grrl!) to track down Clockwork and have his testicles on the mantlepiece before the end of the week?
And Clockwork's Head mounted on the wall above them?
"See little one, that's the bastard that killed Mommy. Now, now you know what happens to people that slot with our family."
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I agree with CanRay. The only reason no one's killed Clockwork yet is because Fastjack enforces a certain level of detente on his boards. Clockwork, on the other hand, likely understands that the moment he actually nabs Netcat (or worse, her kid), his days will be numbered.
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I agree with CanRay. The only reason no one's killed Clockwork yet is because Fastjack enforces a certain level of detente on his boards. Clockwork, on the other hand, likely understands that the moment he actually nabs Netcat (or worse, her kid), his days will be numbered.
Given the amount of people he sounds like he pissed off for selling out a jackpointer (who was that guy, by the way, and what happend afterwards?), I would change days to hours.
Clockwork had Netcat pretty much at his mercy once (in a fiction piece) and didn't take her or Pistons out. It does make you wonder what else might be going on.
You mean aside from the fact that Slamm-0! would pull out all the stops, use every connection he has (Including Kane and /dev/grrl!) to track down Clockwork and have his testicles on the mantlepiece before the end of the week?
And Clockwork's Head mounted on the wall above them?
"See little one, that's the bastard that killed Mommy. Now, now you know what happens to people that slot with our family."
NetCat's house, with Pistons and Slamm-O! sitting in the foyer at a coffee table. Clockwork's bullet-ridden, tarp-wrapped corpse lies on the dining room table.
NetCat: "I don't know, Slamm-O!, I think that it would look a lot more tasteful if we just have him taxadermied, break his spine in one or two places, and just put his head up his own ass..."
Slamm-O!: "So we're going against my statue idea, then?"
NetCat: "I don't want to explain to my eight-year-old son why Clockwork's drones gunbarrels look like they're giving him a f-"
Pistons: "And you don't think that he'll just find out on his own by looking up raunchy matrix sites in his free time?"
NetCat: "...I'm still saying no to the statue."
Slamm-O!: "Damn it..."
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Given the amount of people he sounds like he pissed off for selling out a jackpointer (who was that guy, by the way, and what happend afterwards?), I would change days to hours.
That was Netcat. He sold her out to NeoNET during the Emergence arc. However, she escaped, and let Jackpoint know about it, hence Clockwork being treated worse than pond scum.
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I agree with CanRay. The only reason no one's killed Clockwork yet is because Fastjack enforces a certain level of detente on his boards. Clockwork, on the other hand, likely understands that the moment he actually nabs Netcat (or worse, her kid), his days will be numbered.
See, if *I* was Clockwork, I'd use that to my advantage ... and have Slamm-0! taken out first.
NOBODY would see it coming, he could play it off since "Not a techno-freak, no bounty, not my thing." but be quietly snickering the entire time.
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NetCat: "...I'm still saying no to the statue."
Slamm-O!: "Damn it..."
Except for TechnoBaby being a boy and not a girl, I like it....
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So folks have this book in their hands (con copies, I presume)? So without asking for a release date, any rough idea when others will be able to buy it?
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I got mine a week ago. Don't know when it'll show up in your FLGS, but that's why there's Amazon and other such places.
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See, if *I* was Clockwork, I'd use that to my advantage ... and have Slamm-0! taken out first.
NOBODY would see it coming, he could play it off since "Not a techno-freak, no bounty, not my thing." but be quietly snickering the entire time.
Actually, I think he's trying to improve his rep with JackPoint by helping out.
Shocking, I know, but most of those Tech PDFs are either fully or partially written by him, and he even went out of his way to educate Slamm-0! on all his failures and faults as a Shadowrunner. (Admittedly in a "Matrix troll"-like manner, and then lost his nut when Slamm-0! didn't rise to the occasion, but still helpful. Of course, you can't out-troll Slamm-0!. He's a master of it second only to his knowledge of baseball!).
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NetCat: "...I'm still saying no to the statue."
Slamm-O!: "Damn it..."
Except for TechnoBaby being a boy and not a girl, I like it....
Really? Thought it said somewhere that she had a girl...
Ah well! It's fixed now anyways.
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So folks have this book in their hands (con copies, I presume)? So without asking for a release date, any rough idea when others will be able to buy it?
Mine arrived from Amazon earlier this week :)
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I've been giving my DTF book business to a particular FLGS because of local competition issues, and when he looked for one the system said it hadn't been released yet so I pre-ordered one with him. This was the Wednesday past (Nov 14th)?
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I just got this book yesterday and I have to say that it is full of awesome.
But... Why oh why have they not released the pdf yet? It's so much easier carrying my SR4 collection on my phone. :P
It's a physical collection of gear from PDF only products, there wont be any PDF of it.
I've been told there are vehicles and weapons that are in this book and not in the PDF versions. Are you sure this book doesn't contain additional gear not listed in the PDFs? Example vehicle is the Shiawase Motors Shuriken (motorcycle) which I'm told is only in the Runner's Black Book but when I look through the PDFs I have (MilTech Spec 1 and 2; Deadly Waves; This Old Drone, Unfriendly Skies, Used Car Lot and Gun Heaven 1 and 2) this particular vehicle is not listed. Or am I missing a PDF I'm not aware of?
No it does contain new stuff, it's their attempt to get people who allready have the PDF:s to buy the physical collection book too.
But the best part is, it doesn't contain all the content from Eurowar Antiques, so this time even the physical copy buyer gets crewed over.
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I've been giving my DTF book business to a particular FLGS because of local competition issues, and when he looked for one the system said it hadn't been released yet so I pre-ordered one with him. This was the Wednesday past (Nov 14th)?
My FLGS here in the UK had it at the end of September...