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[5e] Sony CIY or Renraku Tsurugi?

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Slipperychicken

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« on: <02-04-17/0928:53> »
Thread title says it all.

For a dedicated decker, is the Sony CIY a chargen trap? Are the extra program slot and slightly better stats not worth the extra cost? Does the Sony CIY make more sense long-term since a decker is unlikely to upgrade his deck during play?

ZeldaBravo

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« Reply #1 on: <02-04-17/1545:01> »
Yes, the Sony deck is a trap. It has an advantage in the number of programs it can run and a device rating, but that's pretty much it. It is a fine deck but it just has too high opportunity cost.
What would you choose: a decker with with a sony or a decker with Tsurugi AND wired reflexes AND a cool cyberarm AND a sedan?
*I have problems with clarifying my point in English, so sometimes I might sound stupid or rude.*

Xexanoth

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« Reply #2 on: <02-05-17/0856:41> »
as with most things, it depends on the Character you're building, if you wanna build your whiz Decker who doesn't give a shit about meatspace, then go for the Sony,
if you want to build someone who's also of use outside the Matrix then get the Tsurugi and use the saved money for other things.

Also as you pointed out, if you're planning for the long run, it makes sense(from a math standpoint) to go for the  expensive Deck first and then the cheaper upgrades with money from runs.
for the example: Reflexes+CoolCyberarm+Sedan is around 100k vs the 350 for the better deck.

of course the rest of the characters and equipment of your team also need to be taken into consideration.

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« Reply #3 on: <02-05-17/1230:51> »
The Device Rating of a Deck should only matter for the size of the PAN, so 3 more devices in the Deckers PAN is nice but really not worth much cost as you'll likely still have to get a separate Commlink if you're handling the team's gear for them.

Program slots.  Two Program carriers and Virtual Machine means even the lowest end Cyberdeck can be running four programs. 

Matrix Attributes are, obviously, the big seller here so it kinda depends on your dice pools and the rest of your build.  Can you with swaps/programs/mods/qualities/whatever get your Matrix limits up to half your best dice pool for the important tests?  If not, then possibly you'll want to look at the better deck.  Example Erika MCD-1 best Attribute 4, Overclocker, plus relevant program drags you to 6 for any non-sleaze test.  (Sleaze tests with Smoke and Mirrors running shoot up to 10 Sleaze, so no worries there).  Do you commonly throw more than 12 dice at any Attack or Data Processing test?  Probably.  Do you care?  Maybe.  6 Hits on most Data tests is usually fine (ish).  Cyber Combat against Hosts will get problematic as half your rolls will likely be at or over the Decks attack limit.

This is where the rest of your build starts to matter.  Are you a 7 Edge human Decker?  Then phishaw.  Erika MCD is fine, just be smart about when you blow the limit.  Are you an Orc Hacker with 1 Edge?  Then you'll likely need to get at least the Azteca 200 or Little Hornet so you can drag the Limit up by one, and honestly the Novatech starts to look like a wise choice if you've got some good pools in Matrix Perception or Cybercombat that you don't want to waste.

Deckers and upgrading decks... honestly unless the GM hands one out as phat lewt you're better off raising your Edge.  Going from 1 Edge to 6 costs 100 Karma, or about 200,000 Nuyen.  At best one of the mid-range decks.  And if 6 Edge isn't enough to get you through a run, you're doing something wrong.

I also gotta think the Increase Limit Spell could be quickened on your Deck for less than 200k.