[Banshee]

Since thud thread had already been hijacked and became about reddit, let me say this... it is the most toxic of all SR communities that I've ever been involved with and that includes the old dumpshock days. As a fan since 1st edition I've been involved with Shadowrun st every step of it's long life. I've been a player, a GM, a demo agent and as of 6E a freelancer. On reddit however I've personally been dismissed, misquoted, unwelcomed, and personally attacked ... and not by any single person but many of its members. Even though there are a few good ones and the occasional halfway decent bit of information I refuse to partake of that environment in any shape or form these days.

EDIT: adzling ... just so you know I'm not calling you out. You've attacked my work and we disagree about many things but you personally have never attacked or offended me directly... but others on reddit have.

[Reaver]

Well, at least we can say Shadowrun fans are passionate....

[Stainless Steel Devil Rat]

deeply held opinions aren't likely to change.  Time will tell whether the r/Shadowrun folks are prescient or grognards.  My bet is that they'll prove to be the latter, but of course I don't know the future future any better than they do. I just have a different prediction (or dare I say, hope) than they do.  As a longtime "There is no BattleTech after 3025" grognard, I can totally get the sentiment about hating the new stuff aimed at "the kiddies playing my game".  I even "quit" Shadowrun when 4e was unveiled for many of the same reasons given today about what people don't like about 6we.  I mean no slight or insult to people who'd rather play older editions of Shadowrun: you do you.  There just comes a point where it doesn't do any good to rage against the game changing, and sooner or later each 6we hater will realize it and stop harping about it when someone brings up a 6we question/post.  Most of/the most vocal on r/Shadowrun seem to have not gotten there yet, is all.

[Kesendeja]

Funny, I've had to go to dumpshock for civil discourse instead of here. I ask mostly Lore question luckily instead of rules. Also as a reddit user I find passionate people but very few toxic situations, but I admit some may be a bit blunt. As with most forums, ignore the threads that don't suit you.

As for Catalyst, I find more reasons to abandon them that poor quality writing. Their treatment of their fans, especially the older editions. We never got errata for 5th. That and the fact that they refuse to pay freelancers or artists on time, and in some cases ever is another sore spot to me.

I've walked away form them. My Shadowrun game will stay in 5th or transition to the GURPS conversion my group has been working on.

They will not get one cent more from me, which I hate to say, but they have really left me no choice. I love the world to much to participate in this travesty.

[adzling]

Since thud thread had already been hijacked and became about reddit, let me say this... it is the most toxic of all SR communities that I've ever been involved with and that includes the old dumpshock days. As a fan since 1st edition I've been involved with Shadowrun st every step of it's long life. I've been a player, a GM, a demo agent and as of 6E a freelancer. On reddit however I've personally been dismissed, misquoted, unwelcomed, and personally attacked ... and not by any single person but many of its members. Even though there are a few good ones and the occasional halfway decent bit of information I refuse to partake of that environment in any shape or form these days.

EDIT: adzling ... just so you know I'm not calling you out. You've attacked my work and we disagree about many things but you personally have never attacked or offended me directly... but others on reddit have.

I can see what you're saying and the problem imho is that folks confuse freelancers with CGL personage.

The fans feel abused by CGL and unfortunately that carries over to the freelancers.

I've personally tried to tell people to distinguish between the two but mostly to no avail.

Although I hate 6e with a passion I don't blame it on you personally, you're just one part of the mix and don't have the last say.

I place that blame elsewhere in CGL, both for the quality of product (or lack thereof) and treatment of customers.

[curiousNormie]

Since thud thread had already been hijacked and became about reddit, let me say this... it is the most toxic of all SR communities that I've ever been involved with and that includes the old dumpshock days. As a fan since 1st edition I've been involved with Shadowrun st every step of it's long life. I've been a player, a GM, a demo agent and as of 6E a freelancer. On reddit however I've personally been dismissed, misquoted, unwelcomed, and personally attacked ... and not by any single person but many of its members. Even though there are a few good ones and the occasional halfway decent bit of information I refuse to partake of that environment in any shape or form these days.

EDIT: adzling ... just so you know I'm not calling you out. You've attacked my work and we disagree about many things but you personally have never attacked or offended me directly... but others on reddit have.

To be fair, as long as I can remember things between reddit and the freelancers have never been great, though neither have things betweeen dumpshock and the freelancers since 4e either (sensing a trend here). Neither side is blameless. I definitely remember during the freelancer houserule debacle that Ob is talking about, the freelancer in question absolutely blew up on a poster who was new to shadowrun and didn't know whether or not posts made by freelancers counted as errata. When someone politely tried to point this out to him, he doubled down and started going at the person who tried to help him.

At this point its probably best of reddit and freelancers don't interact, which is a shame since reddit is arguably the biggest online shadowrun community. Then again so was dumpshock once so....

[Duellist_D]

When the other two are basically a teaster-system and something based on Genesys, 3rd place isn't exactly great tbh.
I'm curious to see how the sales of the first few 6e splats will fare compared to those of the first few 5e books after CRB.