Uh, sorry, what Xenon? You seem to have added a division to the rules that is not presented in the rules. Namely, you seem to have divided AR control of a drone from remote control. The two are one and the same. When you are AR controlling a drone, you are remote controlling a drone. The "control device" rules ARE the rules you use when controlling a drone in AR mode. When it talks about being "jumped in," it is talking about controlling a drone via full VR (when you are gathering sensory data as if you actually ARE the drone).
There is no difference between Control Device if you are in AR, cold-sim VR or hot-sim VR.
It is the same action.
A decker does not normally have a control rig.
A decker can still very well be in hot-sim VR.
....and use the matrix action Control Device.
To jump in you need a control rig (which normally only riggers have).
Being in VR is
not the same as being
jumped in.
There
is a difference between remote controlling something with Control Device and Rigger control by Jumping In.
The remote controlling rules are for controlling a device from AR
or from VR (but not when
Jumped In).
EDIT: Although, reading over what you wrote in another thread, I think I might just be misunderstanding you. I think you might be saying that all jumped in control is VR control. On the other hand, you can remote control a drone from AR or while sitting in the matrix in VR mode (but not jumped into a vehicle). If that is the case, then me and you actually agree, and we are just misunderstanding each other. And, my issue, that you can be better at remote controlling a drone than controlling it when you are jumped in, stands.
The 4 control orders are
Jumped in
Remote control
Manual control
Auto pilot
When I am saying Remote Control I mean the matrix action Control Device and the modes AR, cold-sim VR and hot-sim VR.
When I am saying Jumped In I mean the matrix action Jump in that require a control rig and rigger interface.
When you say Remote Control you mean AR only
When you say VR you mean Jumped In
I claim that you can be in VR and still not be jumped in and still use Control Device with the same attribute, skill and limit that you would if you use Control Device from AR.
Only riggers that have a control rig can jump in (and only if the vehicle have a control rig).
AR and VR = Not jumped in.
Jumped in = Jumped in.
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you remote control a drone in AR would be: Stealth + Agility [{lowest of Handling and Data Processing}].
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you are in VR (coldsim) would be: Stealth + Intuition [Handling].
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you are in VR (hotsim) would be: Stealth + Intuition + 2 [Handling].
The test when you are in VR or AR is not the same. Honestly, I think they should be.
The test is the same when you are in VR or AR.
The test might be different if you are
Jumped In.
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you remote control a drone in AR would be: Stealth + Agility [{lowest of Handling and Data Processing}].
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you remote control a drone in VR (hot or coldsim) would be: Stealth + Agility [{lowest of Handling and Data Processing}].
The test to avoid a metatype/critter's perception test when you are in
jumped in: Stealth + Intuition [Handling].
There might be a difference between AR and VR (you are after all using your meat body controlling AROs or using your commlink as a gamepadin AR and in VR your body goes limb and your movements are translated into the matrix instead) but i can't see a single example or case in the book where you use different skills, attributes or limits between AR and VR (you might or might not get positive dice pool bonus or higher limit but that is about it). Being jumped in, however, give you a lot of advantages from your control rig - and in some tests you use different skill, attribute or limit compared to AR / VR remote control.
If you go back and read my posts you'll see that i am consistent that when i talk about VR (or when i read you typing VR) i read it as Control Device (which can be both AR or VR). When i talk about Jumped in i mean Jumped in (and not AR or VR). To be extra explicit i even spelled it out as:
AR + cold-sim VR + hot-sim VR = Remote Control
and
Jumped in cold-sim VR + Jumped in hot-sim VR = Jumped In
(If you really mean Jumped in when you type VR then it will get very confusing very fast since VR is Control Device or Remote Control and not at all Jumped In).
The 4 control orders are
Jumped in
Remote control
Manual control
Auto pilot
