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« Reply #15 on: <04-02-14/1245:03> »
Yes, but it shows up as a device. Your trying to fool someone looking at you online and is goid enough to detect the device you are using
Exactly how does someone determine what device you used to form your PAN? If the device icon is subsumed, I'm not sure a matrix perception check would cut it. I'd rule that it would require a successful Trace Icon test and a physical search. If you keep a commlink on you and turn the wireless off, it could probably pass a basic search. Granted, if whoever searched the TM then shut the commlink off and the TMs icon didn't disappear, well...
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« Reply #16 on: <04-02-14/1256:20> »
If an action is performed on a persona that would work on the device a person was on for example, if there is no device then the actiin could fail. Like trying to spoof commands on a technomancer, or pull up files ect. It isnt somethi.g that happens all the time, but it could happen eith higher security.
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« Reply #17 on: <04-02-14/1301:39> »
If an action is performed on a persona that would work on the device a person was on for example, if there is no device then the actiin could fail. Like trying to spoof commands on a technomancer, or pull up files ect. It isnt somethi.g that happens all the time, but it could happen eith higher security.
It's kind of questionable if that even works though. I think I remember a thread about whether you could reboot a deck that was being used to form a persona and the consensus was no, since it wasn't a device anymore. Matrix actions don't have the CF interchangeable target thing, IIRC.

Honestly, the entire rule-set needs to be clarified or re-written to better explain all of these concepts.

With that said and with an eye toward the OP, I do think that the rules are pretty clear with respect to how one accesses grids, whether it makes sense or not.
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« Reply #18 on: <04-02-14/1304:34> »
Aye. I had similar questions about it earlier. Its about the rp accessing more than the mechanics.


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« Reply #19 on: <04-02-14/1312:23> »
2014 wi-fi often require a password or something similar.

to use a global grid you probably also need a password or something similar.
high lifestyle pay for the subscription fee to access a global grid
(if you have lower than high lifestyle you can presumable pay extra money to subscribe)

a technomancer with high lifestyle probably have access to use a global grid
he got the correct passcodes or whatever you need to access it.
why would it matter if he form a persona on his commlink to access it or if he use his living persona to access it..?

just accept and move on. hand wave it. or make up fluff as you go. shrug.

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« Reply #20 on: <04-02-14/1347:37> »
This thread is confusing.  The topic was initially about how the Transcendent Grid Complex Form works, but now it's about commlinks?

The Transcendent Grid thing is simple enough: you're connected to all grids at once.  Instead of segregated Grids, they're essentially all one Grid.

Also, the OP was asking about what grid the technomancer was on to begin with.  The answer is this: it depends on your lifestyle.  If you're at low or less, you are on the Public Grid, which is crap to begin with.  If you're at medium, you are on a city, local, or region grid (like the Emerald City grid in Seattle).  If you're at high or above, you're on one of the megacorp grids.

As stated earlier, having access isn't the same as being registered.  We actually don't have a clue how the Grids register users.  The Trace Icon action can trace a location regardless of the Grid the icon is running on.  We don't have rules for how to use Trace Icon after the icon has gone offline either - so the answer gets complicated.

As to the secondary topic of a technomancer using a commlink - you can't use the commlink to spoof your location or grid while still using any Resonance abilities (including Complex Forms).  The only way that the commlink would spoof your location would be if you ran your persona through it.  And that's not going to work well for a technomancer.  Even without the Resonance action issue, a commlink lacks the Attack and Sleaze attributes, so you'd be useless for hacking.

You can run a commlink to broadcast your SIN, manage your PAN, etc. as a technomancer just fine.  Your Living Persona doesn't actually have to be active until you want it to be active.  You're not running around involuntarily broadcasting a signal - you're in control of it.  4th edition had rules for handling a technomancer that stays hidden for extended periods of time, but with the changes to the Matrix I'd be surprised if those rules made it back into 5th edition.
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« Reply #21 on: <04-02-14/1434:32> »

As stated earlier, having access isn't the same as being registered.  We actually don't have a clue how the Grids register users.  The Trace Icon action can trace a location regardless of the Grid the icon is running on.  We don't have rules for how to use Trace Icon after the icon has gone offline either - so the answer gets complicated.


I think this may have been what I'm looking for.... even though the answer is "we don't know." If we don't know how grids register users, then it is not apart of the game mechanics, and should not be attacked, defended, compromised, or.... what I was doing.... thought too much about. I'll go with accepting the fact that technomancers have access to grids based on lifestyle, and keep it at that.

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« Reply #22 on: <04-02-14/1455:18> »

As stated earlier, having access isn't the same as being registered.  We actually don't have a clue how the Grids register users.  The Trace Icon action can trace a location regardless of the Grid the icon is running on.  We don't have rules for how to use Trace Icon after the icon has gone offline either - so the answer gets complicated.


I think this may have been what I'm looking for.... even though the answer is "we don't know." If we don't know how grids register users, then it is not apart of the game mechanics, and should not be attacked, defended, compromised, or.... what I was doing.... thought too much about. I'll go with accepting the fact that technomancers have access to grids based on lifestyle, and keep it at that.

Yeah, don't sweat it omae.  When Data Trails comes out they'll definitely go into it more.  Maybe even just Run Faster if you assume it'd be included in the rules for advanced lifestyles (which is almost definitely gonna be in there).
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