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CGL and the industry consolidation.

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« Reply #15 on: <09-06-16/1510:35> »
GW still claims to be a collectible miniatures company who's customers happen to play games using their product as compared to Corvis Belli who claim to be a collectible miniatures company who make miniatures that enhance a game system, Infinity, and its back story and game universe (Followers of SR may enjoy the Infinity Universe and should check out Modiphius Entertainment's Infinity RPG) Their management team still makes decisions based on short term profits and ways to get them to next big thing without trying to sustain the things that are working. This week they announced the 'end of times' event for 40K.

GW's public trading filings do dhow that their profits are up but if you look closer you find that they are charging more and have reduced production costs to gain that profit. Sales numbers are actually down. Making more money while selling less product is not a sustainable business model.

GW took a booth at the North American Licensing trade show this year and made it known they wanted to talk about anything, Movies, Video Game, TV, merchandise, and tabletop gaming outside of miniatures. Even though they have one of the four biggest sci fi licenses out there the booth was not that active.

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« Reply #16 on: <09-06-16/1751:11> »
I used to play Warhammer 40k, their fantasy RPG and many of their board games back in the day (Block Wars is the best shit on your nieghbour board game ever).
Heck I even took 2nd place in their first Games Day for Space Hulk.

however modern day GW is nothing like their former self, I would never give them a tiny penny for anything.
It's just become a totally $ first, experience last company imho, horrible all round.

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« Reply #17 on: <09-06-16/2222:51> »
Uh, I'm going to point out your information is rather out-of-date, Dinendae.  Things have been changing with Games Workshop, and it has been for the better. 

And while people like to rag on Age of Sigmar, everyone I know in the GW community finds it fun to play.


Things have had to change, because they have been reducing their customer base for years. It only looks good due to the fact they make up for it (slightly) by increasing the purchaser's costs every year, while cutting back on their costs (via reducing the amount available in a purchase). They have had to push out defunct games that they swore they would never release again, in an attempt to remain profitable.


In this region, Age of Sigmar has killed off Warhammer gaming. Sure it's going to vary from area to area, and you'll have the diehards who will stick to whatever previous edition they liked best, but Age of Sigmar was the first edition that didn't sell out it's stock to the point it needed a second and third printing fairly quickly. The last I had heard (a few months ago) was that GW were still on that first printing of stock.


That's what happens when your business model continues to price out large sections of your potential customer base. Now that there are plenty of alternate games out there for people to play, I don't know if the steps they have been taking will be enough. New players coming in can spend a ridiculous amount of money for just a GW rulebook, or they can pick up one of the Star Wars miniature games, any of the other ones out there, or grab Kings of War, and play a fantasy miniatures wargame for a fraction of the cost it takes to just get one army started in a GW game.

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« Reply #18 on: <09-07-16/1320:49> »
New players coming in can spend a ridiculous amount of money for just a GW rulebook

This looks like the rules are free to download? https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Rules

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« Reply #19 on: <09-07-16/1405:04> »
That's Age if Sigmar. This rules do not include any way to balance one set of miniatures against another and no way to play competitively. If you want a game where both players have equal forces than you must buy the Generals Handbook.

Most people will be referring to Warhammer 40K when talking GW. It is their premier product. Unfortunately it is very costly. A starter box with rules and two basic forces in plastic will run 150.00US then add another 300.00US of models to bring that starter force to a competitive force of 1500-2000 points. The rules for each different army is also a separate purchase at 45.00US per army. If you want to know the special rules of the factions you are playing against you will need all of these

An Infinity starter includes 100 points of metal models for two factions, scenery for your table, and a series of scenarios to teach you the basic rules in steps for 75.00. The complete rule set, in color, is available as a free download and includes all special rules. A box of models for one faction to bring you up to a full competition level of 300 points for an additional 80.00US

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« Reply #20 on: <09-07-16/1429:31> »
Ah, ok. Thanks for the explanation :)

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« Reply #21 on: <09-07-16/1728:42> »
Not a big fan of GW but I've been listening to people tell me how they are going down the drain for the last 25 years or so and yet they are still here.  But I guess if you need a hobby then predicting the Doom of GW is one that can last for decades.   ;)

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« Reply #22 on: <09-07-16/1749:03> »
Nintendo has also been sinking like crazy, dood. It's like these doomsayers are early shadowrunners beginning the revolt against the corporate world by saying they'll totally fail anytime soon...

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« Reply #23 on: <09-07-16/1805:52> »
Nintendo has also been sinking like crazy, dood. It's like these doomsayers are early shadowrunners beginning the revolt against the corporate world by saying they'll totally fail anytime soon...

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« Reply #24 on: <09-07-16/1819:42> »
Because Nintendo doesn't actually profit all that much from Pokémon: GO!.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/25/pokemon-go-nintendo-shares-tokyo-stock-exchange-niantic

They do own stock in Niantic and do own some of the peripherals like the Go Plus, but they are not the main benefiters from the game, which did cause a bit of a dip in stocks when people figured that out.

On the plus side Nintendo is climbing back up as they get set to release Super Mario Run.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2016/09/07/nintendo-stocks-jump-following-the-announcement-of-super-mario-run-for-ios/#65a5bc191065
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« Reply #25 on: <09-07-16/2156:54> »
Well, at least they figured out a way to keep their stock value's hype train running....even if they had to switch tracks.
I have no stake in their stock personally, but I knew it was doing really well just in passing.

If only the same could be said of the slowly dying PnP industry.
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