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« Reply #45 on: <02-18-13/0633:31> »
Apparently it's not enough for some people to leave things at "there's an answer for every issue that could be brought up". FWIW, I don't regularly play in games where tacnets offer dp bonuses to the full list given in Unwired. If I do, that's going to be an entirely separate discussion.

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No monitoring of gear condition though the contacts - and if you wire into a pair of goggles for that, the cable will be vulnerable to damage.  And so on, and so forth.  These is no cost-free option.  And given how easy it is to get very, very, very strong defenses against hacking without needing to do that...  Its not actually the smartest option.
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If the character also possesses a cyberware smartlink system, [a cyber safety] links to it and the direct contact overrides any wireless smartlink input, essentially making the smartlink immune from hacking.


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« Reply #46 on: <02-18-13/1005:56> »
Channelling Old Man Jones here for a moment:

One PAN for your gear that does not absolutely need to have wireless access. All wireless links REMOVED, not just shut off. Datajack for those times you need to connect it to an outside system.

Seperate PAN for your communications gear. TacNet goes here, as well as anything else that needs outside connections. Ideally all bundled into an easily disposed of package in case the PAN is compromised. No connection to the first PAN. If you need to transfer data from PAN "A" to PAN "B", use a damn memory chip.

Backup duplicates of the wireless PAN. Additional burner commlinks for use-and-dispose situations.

There's no such thing as "too paranoid" in the shadows, only "not paranoid enough".

More on topic, there is NO good reason for your bioware or personal biomonitor to be connected to wireless. If your team medic needs the info, wear a second biomonitor on your wireless PAN.


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« Reply #47 on: <02-18-13/1023:04> »
Channelling Old Man Jones here for a moment:

One PAN for your gear that does not absolutely need to have wireless access. All wireless links REMOVED, not just shut off. Datajack for those times you need to connect it to an outside system.

Seperate PAN for your communications gear. TacNet goes here, as well as anything else that needs outside connections. Ideally all bundled into an easily disposed of package in case the PAN is compromised. No connection to the first PAN. If you need to transfer data from PAN "A" to PAN "B", use a damn memory chip.

Backup duplicates of the wireless PAN. Additional burner commlinks for use-and-dispose situations.

There's no such thing as "too paranoid" in the shadows, only "not paranoid enough".

More on topic, there is NO good reason for your bioware or personal biomonitor to be connected to wireless. If your team medic needs the info, wear a second biomonitor on your wireless PAN.

This. Absolutely.

And remember, Runners, I don't have to be unhackable.

I just have to be less attractive to hack than you.  ;D

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« Reply #48 on: <02-18-13/1429:20> »
Which is why my gunsmith character loads heavy encryption plus some fun black IC.  I don't need to keep them out, just keep them busy long enough for my team to locate and destroy the hacker.
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« Reply #49 on: <02-18-13/1735:26> »
Which is why my gunsmith character loads heavy encryption plus some fun black IC.  I don't need to keep them out, just keep them busy long enough for my team to locate and destroy the hacker.
You should see some of the perversions of defense some of my group is planning.  Of course, they have a business they're trying to run and keep safe, so...
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« Reply #50 on: <02-18-13/1911:05> »
Channelling Old Man Jones here for a moment:

One PAN for your gear that does not absolutely need to have wireless access. All wireless links REMOVED, not just shut off. Datajack for those times you need to connect it to an outside system.

Seperate PAN for your communications gear. TacNet goes here, as well as anything else that needs outside connections. Ideally all bundled into an easily disposed of package in case the PAN is compromised. No connection to the first PAN. If you need to transfer data from PAN "A" to PAN "B", use a damn memory chip.

Backup duplicates of the wireless PAN. Additional burner commlinks for use-and-dispose situations.

There's no such thing as "too paranoid" in the shadows, only "not paranoid enough".

More on topic, there is NO good reason for your bioware or personal biomonitor to be connected to wireless. If your team medic needs the info, wear a second biomonitor on your wireless PAN.


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And this is why I'm glad they're doing away with all this bullshit in 5th.
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« Reply #51 on: <02-18-13/2044:28> »
What makes you say that?  Haven't seen anything to suggest that...  It's not like PANs are incompatible with grids...
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« Reply #52 on: <02-18-13/2235:18> »

I kinda like PANs.

Then again, I own a lot of Scottevest gear... :P

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« Reply #53 on: <02-19-13/1110:46> »
What makes you say that?  Haven't seen anything to suggest that...  It's not like PANs are incompatible with grids...

All that pussyfooting? Needs to go. If your plan to not get shot and killed requires more then a single sentence, it's a shitty plan. If your plan to not get hacked requires more then a single sentence, you're just jerking off.  I don't think Karma is being an asshole here, I think the rules are just fucking stupid, and since the Matrix itself and wireless nonsense seems to be going, it's a good assumption that PANs are out too.
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« Reply #54 on: <02-19-13/1115:28> »
What makes you say that?  Haven't seen anything to suggest that...  It's not like PANs are incompatible with grids...

All that pussyfooting? Needs to go. If your plan to not get shot and killed requires more then a single sentence, it's a shitty plan. If your plan to not get hacked requires more then a single sentence, you're just jerking off.  I don't think Karma is being an asshole here, I think the rules are just fucking stupid, and since the Matrix itself and wireless nonsense seems to be going, it's a good assumption that PANs are out too.

If your plan to not get shot and killed is only a single sentence, I never wanna go through a door with you.


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« Reply #55 on: <02-19-13/1118:40> »
If your plan to not get shot and killed is only a single sentence, I never wanna go through a door with you.

I kill them first.  Complicated plans are just asking for failure or fiat.
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« Reply #56 on: <02-19-13/1209:14> »
If your plan to not get shot and killed is only a single sentence, I never wanna go through a door with you.

I kill them first.  Complicated plans are just asking for failure or fiat.

Not familiar with the 7 Ps, then,  I take it?

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« Reply #57 on: <02-19-13/1240:44> »
If your plan to not get shot and killed is only a single sentence, I never wanna go through a door with you.

I kill them first.  Complicated plans are just asking for failure or fiat.

Obviously, you have never planned a real operation then. "A plan never survives first contact" is true. That being said, if you went in front of any military officer with a one sentence plan, they would ask for Mirikon's phone book.

I don't mean to be condescending, but you must be joking that you only make one sentence plans, right?

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« Reply #58 on: <02-19-13/1241:19> »
If your plan to not get shot and killed is only a single sentence, I never wanna go through a door with you.

I kill them first.  Complicated plans are just asking for failure or fiat.

Not familiar with the 7 Ps, then,  I take it?

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The last guy got shot while trying to recite them. Guess he should have just shot first.
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« Reply #59 on: <02-19-13/1242:52> »
Obviously, you have never planned a real operation then.

Really dude?

How many military operations officers do --- Edit.  Nevermind. Not fucking worth it.
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