[firebug]

It is not metagaming to have your character avoid their allergens.

This is also why I feel like it's not unreasonable for someone to pick up Sensitive System without any intention of getting an implant.  They were likely told this while they were growing up or it's something a doctor would tell them of as soon as they tried to get any cyberware.  It would be silly to expect someone not to avoid something if their body fights it against their own will.

[Reiper]

...  "I have gold allergy on my character sheet" translates to "my character has, in the past, had an allergic response to gold".  It is not metagaming to have your character avoid their allergens.

Its not, but a GM can (and should) throw you into situations where you will have to face your allergies at least once in a campaign. If your a caster and would have absolutely never taken cyberware in the first place, then there isn't much a GM can do to at least make it uncomfortable at least.

And at 15 BPs, that is a significant boost for something that you aren't going to really run into.

[mtfeeney = Baron]

Every second of their existence, they're affected by taking it.  It effectively locks them out of using cyberware, whereas most people at some point or another will want to take something.  Even if it's unlikely, losing the chance to use it is a pretty big deal.

[RHat]

There isn't really a character who couldn't possibly benefit from cyber, though.

[Reiper]

There isn't really a character who couldn't possibly benefit from cyber, though.

Shifters, mages that want to keep their systems 'pure' and such. I know a lot of mages take some ware now, but there are still purists out there. And most of the effects of the ware can be duplicated in other ways.

[RHat]

I meant in mechanical terms, not flavour terms.

[Necrogigas]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

[RHat]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

[Reiper]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

Seems like an oversight.

And couldn't they just have the leg cloned?

[Necrogigas]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

Really? That seems kinda dumb. You wouldn't happen to be able to point me to either that thread or to where it states that in the books, would you?

[RHat]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

Really? That seems kinda dumb. You wouldn't happen to be able to point me to either that thread or to where it states that in the books, would you?

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=9592.0

What it comes down to is that its never stated that loss of a limb causes Essence loss - and as it kind of needs to be quantified, it needs to be stated.  That said, a double-dip like that wouldn't be proper rules for the thing - if I were to right such rules, there'd be separate Essence loss for the amputation and augmentation for the purpose of qualities like these.

[Necrogigas]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

Really? That seems kinda dumb. You wouldn't happen to be able to point me to either that thread or to where it states that in the books, would you?

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=9592.0

What it comes down to is that its never stated that loss of a limb causes Essence loss - and as it kind of needs to be quantified, it needs to be stated.  That said, a double-dip like that wouldn't be proper rules for the thing - if I were to right such rules, there'd be separate Essence loss for the amputation and augmentation for the purpose of qualities like these.

If amputation did cause Essence lost, it'd be one point just for losing an entire limb. That creates an Essence hole of one for that area of the body, the second point comes off when a cyberlimb is implanted since Sensitive System doubles Essence cost.

[RHat]

Even if a character with sensitive system doesn't plan on taking cyberware, they also aren't planning on being caught in an explosion. The Shadows are a dangerous place, a lot of cyberlimbs aren't upgrades, but replacements. So I wouldn't call it cheese, in fact its highly dangerous for Awakened/Emerged characters to take sensitive system. For example, if they get a leg blown off, that's one point of essence gone right there, and if they decide to get a cyberlimb replacement, that's another point right there.

See, that's what I thought, but as I discovered in another thread regarding hit locations, you don't lose the essence for just the amputation - only once you get the cyberlimb.  Oddly.

Really? That seems kinda dumb. You wouldn't happen to be able to point me to either that thread or to where it states that in the books, would you?

http://forums.shadowrun4.com/index.php?topic=9592.0

What it comes down to is that its never stated that loss of a limb causes Essence loss - and as it kind of needs to be quantified, it needs to be stated.  That said, a double-dip like that wouldn't be proper rules for the thing - if I were to right such rules, there'd be separate Essence loss for the amputation and augmentation for the purpose of qualities like these.

If amputation did cause Essence lost, it'd be one point just for losing an entire limb. That creates an Essence hole of one for that area of the body, the second point comes off when a cyberlimb is implanted since Sensitive System doubles Essence cost.

The idea that the body loses that much holistic integrity when an already lost arm is replaced seems odd.  I'd probably go 0.75/0.25 or something. 

[Necrogigas]

If amputation did cause Essence lost, it'd be one point just for losing an entire limb. That creates an Essence hole of one for that area of the body, the second point comes off when a cyberlimb is implanted since Sensitive System doubles Essence cost.

The idea that the body loses that much holistic integrity when an already lost arm is replaced seems odd.  I'd probably go 0.75/0.25 or something.

I see where you're going, but the doubling of essence cost comes from the stress put on the body from it constantly trying to reject the cyberware. That wouldn't be affected by the circumstances of why the cyberware was implanted. Call the explosion impromptu surgery.

[RHat]

If amputation did cause Essence lost, it'd be one point just for losing an entire limb. That creates an Essence hole of one for that area of the body, the second point comes off when a cyberlimb is implanted since Sensitive System doubles Essence cost.

The idea that the body loses that much holistic integrity when an already lost arm is replaced seems odd.  I'd probably go 0.75/0.25 or something.

I see where you're going, but the doubling of essence cost comes from the stress put on the body from it constantly trying to reject the cyberware. That wouldn't be affected by the circumstances of why the cyberware was implanted. Call the explosion impromptu surgery.

I'd apply the split regardless of whether the amputation was due to damage to the arm or due to voluntary replacement with the limb, for exactly that reason.