[dertechie]

Milspec gives you BOD * 3 Encumbrance rather than BOD * 2, which makes it the best soak armor for BOD 4 through 7 characters (barring Soft Weave, which didn't exist when Milspec was design from a mechanics perspective).  Most military or high end corpsec that are not Orks or Trolls will be in that range.  Only Orks and Trolls can hit BOD 8 unaugmented, and even those specimens are not common (BOD 8 Ork is well above metatype average, BOD 8 Troll is a little above average)

A BOD 4 Human can wear Light Milspec for 12/10, which is better than the 11/9 he'd get from FFBA + Stuff. 
BOD 5, Red Samurai + Helmet at 15/15 or Medium Milspec at 14/12, again better than 13/11.
BOD 6 or 7, Heavy Milspec + Helmet at 18/16, which bests 15/13 or 17/15 from stacking.

[UmaroVI]

You can also attach:

Moonsilver Line Scarf ("Tactical Neck Insulator")
Quizzel Fairy/Dragon Wings
Ballistic Mask

Before anyone QQs: yes, you can wear a mask with a helmet. Soldiers do it in real life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounted_Soldier_System

I should also note the middle ground between "I can wear 5 different armor items with all three weaves on each" and "only one weave" is that you can use one copy of each weave total, so one Delta-Amyloid, one Carbon-Boron, and one whatever the kevlar thing is.

[JoeNapalm]

You can also attach:

Moonsilver Line Scarf ("Tactical Neck Insulator")
Quizzel Fairy/Dragon Wings
Ballistic Mask

Before anyone QQs: yes, you can wear a mask with a helmet. Soldiers do it in real life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounted_Soldier_System

I should also note the middle ground between "I can wear 5 different armor items with all three weaves on each" and "only one weave" is that you can use one copy of each weave total, so one Delta-Amyloid, one Carbon-Boron, and one whatever the kevlar thing is.

Ballistic Mask? How did I miss that? Where's it at?

I have not problem with that and a helmet. Actually, I have a character that I had described his PPP helmet as a black goalie mask, for stylistic reasons...a ballistic one would be much better!

For the record, protesting someone trying to wear a helmet over their helmet does not constitute a "QQ" - it's the reassertion of reason. 

You can do more than one type of weave? From Attitude? Is that a commonly agreed upon thing, or is that a grey area?

No disagreeing, just seems...well...very powerful. You're still limited by BOD, of course, but you can really crank up a single layer that way.

-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist

[UmaroVI]

For the record, protesting someone trying to wear a helmet over their helmet does not constitute a "QQ" - it's the reassertion of reason.

The QQ comment is because someone did in fact claim that wearing a mask with a helmet was ridiculous in the last millinery thread.

The Ballistic Mask is from BOGOTA!

People will debate anything and I doubt there's a consensus. I was just pointing out that a middle ground does exist.

[Ninja137]

For the record, protesting someone trying to wear a helmet over their helmet does not constitute a "QQ" - it's the reassertion of reason.

The QQ comment is because someone did in fact claim that wearing a mask with a helmet was ridiculous in the last millinery thread.

The Ballistic Mask is from BOGOTA!

People will debate anything and I doubt there's a consensus. I was just pointing out that a middle ground does exist.

Ballistic Mask is from War!

Where does it say you can only have one of each individual weave, exactly?

[lumiragdas]

For a while I was playing around with the idea of a troll mystic adept built full tank and possession tradition to get that immunity to normal weapons. And he would primarily use a bowling Ball as a weapon

[UmaroVI]

For the record, protesting someone trying to wear a helmet over their helmet does not constitute a "QQ" - it's the reassertion of reason.

The QQ comment is because someone did in fact claim that wearing a mask with a helmet was ridiculous in the last millinery thread.

The Ballistic Mask is from BOGOTA!

People will debate anything and I doubt there's a consensus. I was just pointing out that a middle ground does exist.

Ballistic Mask is from War!

Where does it say you can only have one of each individual weave, exactly?

It doesn't. It doesn't actually say anything at all about whether or how weaves stack or with what.

[Ninja137]

For the record, protesting someone trying to wear a helmet over their helmet does not constitute a "QQ" - it's the reassertion of reason.

The QQ comment is because someone did in fact claim that wearing a mask with a helmet was ridiculous in the last millinery thread.

The Ballistic Mask is from BOGOTA!

People will debate anything and I doubt there's a consensus. I was just pointing out that a middle ground does exist.

Ballistic Mask is from War!

Where does it say you can only have one of each individual weave, exactly?

It doesn't. It doesn't actually say anything at all about whether or how weaves stack or with what.

They don't have a rule stating they don't stack, a rule saying they only are usable on a single piece of clothing at once, or anything else. They just work like normal enhancements to armor, providing the listed bonus each time, then? So they'd give full armor for each piece of clothing you use them on, I suppose. It doesn't really matter a ton most of the time, but that's useful for this if you're really going all out with the Steampunk Weaves and insane armor stacking line.

However, the main point of this thread isn't really armor stacking math, it's the fact that Milspec Armor pales in comparision to things doable by average people, and for less cost or arousal of suspicion. How exactly might we be able to fix that? Make Milspec provide more protection so that it actually does it's job adequately?

[Michael Chandra]

Just to get something clear here, are we talking Weaved Armor for people with Body 6-, non-Weaved Armor for people with Body 6-, or talking armor for Body 7+ people?

[JoeNapalm]

Just to get something clear here, are we talking Weaved Armor for people with Body 6-, non-Weaved Armor for people with Body 6-, or talking armor for Body 7+ people?

Yes.


-Jn-
Ifriti Sophist

[KarmaInferno]

Where does it say you can only have one of each individual weave, exactly?

If I recall somewhere on these boards is a comment by the author that they are not supposed to stack, but it has yet to appear as an errata.

Then again, getting Catalyst to release errata....



-k

[Michael Chandra]

So why is MilSpec such a bad call for Body 2~6 people if we're using Extended Core only?

[Ninja137]

You can also attach:

Moonsilver Line Scarf ("Tactical Neck Insulator")
Quizzel Fairy/Dragon Wings
Ballistic Mask

Before anyone QQs: yes, you can wear a mask with a helmet. Soldiers do it in real life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounted_Soldier_System

I should also note the middle ground between "I can wear 5 different armor items with all three weaves on each" and "only one weave" is that you can use one copy of each weave total, so one Delta-Amyloid, one Carbon-Boron, and one whatever the kevlar thing is.

Wait, the scarf actually stacks with other armor? Can it technically have Weaves applied to it, since it'd be a piece of Armor Clothing?

[Ninja137]

So why is MilSpec such a bad call for Body 2~6 people if we're using Extended Core only?

Because you can get better armor than it EASILY. Core+Arsenal nets you:

FFBA 6/2
SecureTech PPP 2/6
SWAT Armor 12/10
Helmet 2/2
Moonsilver Scarf 1/0
Ballistic Shield
For a total of: 29/24.
Heavy Milspec on the other hand, Hardcaps at 18/16 and can't even be used with a Shield. If you've got a crap body, sure Milspec is great for you. However, people with a crap body score aren't what we're talking about. We're talking about the highest armor you can get. That place SHOULD belong to Heavy Milspec. Rather firmly belong to it, for that matter. However, that is ENTIRELY not the case. Even if you drop the SWAT armor down to a Chameleon Jumpsuit you STILL blow Heavy Milspec out of the water. By a mile.

Heavy Milspec needs to get a buffed armor value, because as is it's expensive, rare, and bad.

[Michael Chandra]

Okay, so the answer to my question was "armor for Body 7+ people". Check. You're right, you'd expect some sort of armor for high-Body troops. After all, right now a GM would have to decide whether you'd be allowed to stack additional armor on and lose the x3 rule. But maybe it's to prevent high-Body people from reaching armor levels through Milspec where you'd need tanks to scratch them. Now for the normal troops, MilSpec's nice.