[RHat]

I definitely agree we need to get 'on the ground' to figure out what the layout is and what options are available to us.

[Aryeonos]

We'll see what the johnson knows of the area and the Captain's associates, as well of how much of a foothold Horizon has on the issue to the Johnson's knowledge. First thing should be making sure the johnson can peak our interests, then cover operations expenses. I can try and get us new IDs should the negotiations go in our favor, among other things.

[Aryeonos]

I think we can get through this without killing anyone, hopefully, having the captain coming after us might make the job more difficult.

[Aryeonos]

I think that's a bad thing, it means we can't really operate in a discrete professional fashion if we're exposed, and I think killing people is a sure fire gamble for that.

When we get there, we'll need middle men, some of the locals may 'oblige'.

[Mirikon]

So if I'm reading this right, that's 25K each up front, 90K each total, and an extra 10K each if we get it done in two weeks? Total of 100K per runner? Or is that 100K for the whole team, which would be a bit shy of 17K each (since there's six of us)?

[mtfeeney = Baron]

100k each, 25k up front, plus they cover expenses while we're on the road.

[Mirikon]

Groovy. 100K will allow me to get some nice new toys.

[mtfeeney = Baron]

100k will see me in a clinic with a new delta-grade rating 5 skillwire system being installed.

[mtfeeney = Baron]

Fascinating.  I thought Aaliyah specified "each", but...  now that I reread, the only person that said "each" was the Johnson when he said 7k each.  I assumed that Aaliyah's counteroffer of 100k was per person, not a weird group total(especially since 100k doesn't divide by 6 evenly), which is why Baron supported it.  If it's just 100k for the group, we're still looking at a measily 16k per person for a major run.  I still think it's 100k per.  As for being newbies, not really.  Just because it's the first run we're playing with the characters, that doesn't mean they haven't done runs before.  My character has been at it for a while.

[Mithlas]

I know that payouts vary, and I can't use my other time running Shadowrun (since the Johnsons all paid in favors like providing Erased or Black Market Pipeline, most of the team's money coming from looting the gangers or corpsec), and given that everybody started off with some degree of Wanted that made Erased much more valuable than a high starting payout. However, 100k per person does not sound like first run newbies. The 90k per person comes to ...oops, I divided by the number of my meatspace group, not this group which is larger.

What the hell, this is already shooting towards pink mohawk and we're all probably going to be blowing up city blocks eventually anyway. Shorter game than the lower, more stealthy one because progression is going to be harder for me to keep on-track, but that's fine with me.

[All4BigGuns]

It would be one thing if the run was to be done locally, which "first run newbies" would be hired for, but when such long distance travel is involved higher pay should be expected as a matter of course. With the level of skill most of the characters have in their area of expertise, I don't think that any of them would fall under that "first run newbie" descriptor.

Note- Not having any Street Cred due to just having created doesn't matter, as it could have been burned in order to keep Public Awareness and/or Notoriety down.

[Mirikon]

heh. No worries, Mithlas. I had to check back to see how many people there were. So, what is the final number total and per person?

[All4BigGuns]

Like I said, I'd be good with the other if the run were local.

How's this for a compromise? It could get put at 30 or 45 grand per runner before the offered expenses and bonuses with 1/3 of that being up front.

[Mithlas]

I'm a little perplexed at the idea I'm seeing of this being continent-level distance, this is from UCAS to UCAS and while it's crossing ~25% the width of north america (aka the Rocky Mountains and a small bit of the Great Plains), the train has already been arranged by the Johnson. I'd query more into what standard pay is for runners, but very large threads have already been created for that topic and picking that up here might create too much of a tangent.

When I first did the math (calculating for half the runners, this group has 6 and my other has 3), the total was 90k or 30k each. Ammo, repairs and replacements were included 'as to be tallied later', with transportation already being provided.

My last post was based on a math error on my part so I'm willing to fudge a little, I still think that 100k each is a little much for an opening run, especially when we're not looking at a cast of hardened veteran runners. 50k each runner with 20k up front sounds a little more like what I'd expect a "new team of mixed runners" might be offered.

[All4BigGuns]

I'm a little perplexed at the idea I'm seeing of this being continent-level distance, this is from UCAS to UCAS and while it's crossing ~25% the width of north america (aka the Rocky Mountains and a small bit of the Great Plains), the train has already been arranged by the Johnson. I'd query more into what standard pay is for runners, but very large threads have already been created for that topic and picking that up here might create too much of a tangent.

When I first did the math (calculating for half the runners, this group has 6 and my other has 3), the total was 90k or 30k each. Ammo, repairs and replacements were included 'as to be tallied later', with transportation already being provided.

My last post was based on a math error on my part so I'm willing to fudge a little, I still think that 100k each is a little much for an opening run, especially when we're not looking at a cast of hardened veteran runners. 50k each runner with 20k up front sounds a little more like what I'd expect a "new team of mixed runners" might be offered.

50 grand is more than the compromise I put on the table, so while I won't turn down 100 grand, that would work.