[Lysanderz]

I will say that the adept bumps are nice, but I suspect we'll see a lot of Wolf Adepts in the near future.

[GiraffeShaman]

Pfft, shows what you know.  Giraffes are freakin' psycho, man.  When a giraffe flips out, the lions are like "Whoa, take it easy... chill out."  Even Wolverine is like "Maybe you should calm down a bit."  Not the animal, the X-men member.

Hahah, you have a point, but it's mostly self defense. And the lions are more like "Holy crap, I pissed off a giraffe and now I'm dead." And there's the infamous neck duels, but that's inter-giraffe business.

Giraffe Kills Lion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwY3tx8_sQ

[Mirikon]

Pfft, shows what you know.  Giraffes are freakin' psycho, man.  When a giraffe flips out, the lions are like "Whoa, take it easy... chill out."  Even Wolverine is like "Maybe you should calm down a bit."  Not the animal, the X-men member.

But Honey Badger just don't care.

Mentors give a bonus to Magicians (not specifying the exact type) and then adepts.  Sorry for the confusion. I WISH they had been as detailed as to give shamans and hermetically different bumps from their chosen totems.

Yeah, but then you would have had to go into how each mentor reacts with each tradition, including druids, voodoo, psionics, shinto, chaos magic, christian theurgy, black magic, and so on. MAJOR pain in the ass.

[tequila]

Mentors are generally set up like this

Mentor Name
Description
All: Benefit anyone gets for taking it.
Magician Benefit only Magicians get for taking it.
Adept Benefit only Adepts get for taking it.

Note: Mystic Adepts have to chose whether they are taking the Magician or Adept benefit when they pick their Mentor Spirit.

[Rapier]

Mentors are generally set up like this

Mentor Name
Description
All: Benefit anyone gets for taking it.
Magician Benefit only Magicians get for taking it.
Adept Benefit only Adepts get for taking it.

Note: Mystic Adepts have to chose whether they are taking the Magician or Adept benefit when they pick their Mentor Spirit.

This is a very good implementation.

[Boomstick]

Basically it gives those mundane a a chance to understand what the fuck is going on without a Mage in the group. Though I am sure there are some ways around it for the Mage.

Don't read everything before so don't know what is the problem there, but you still had this chance before with the noticing magic rules and things like shamanic mask and so on.

That's a false equivalency - the hacker isn't the only one who can notice Matrix stuff.

Noticing it and doing something about it, however, are two entirely different things.

Same goes for magicians. And also, while you could perceive overlays visual feeds and so on given they are projected in some way, you will have to hack a hacker or intercept the feed to know what happens. Not the doing of not a hacker. And you can't really see what is happening in Matrix at the VR level when you are in AR, cause matrix representation is not the same usually, AR info being really partial.

[RHat]

Basically it gives those mundane a a chance to understand what the fuck is going on without a Mage in the group. Though I am sure there are some ways around it for the Mage.

Don't read everything before so don't know what is the problem there, but you still had this chance before with the noticing magic rules and things like shamanic mask and so on.

That's a false equivalency - the hacker isn't the only one who can notice Matrix stuff.

Noticing it and doing something about it, however, are two entirely different things.

Same goes for magicians. And also, while you could perceive overlays visual feeds and so on given they are projected in some way, you will have to hack a hacker or intercept the feed to know what happens. Not the doing of not a hacker. And you can't really see what is happening in Matrix at the VR level when you are in AR, cause matrix representation is not the same usually, AR info being really partial.

It doesn't take a hacker to buy an agent with Electronic Warfare and the Analyze, Scan, and Browse programs.  Some things you need the hacker for, but simply perceiving what's going on isn't really that hard.

[Icy]

Mentors are generally set up like this

Mentor Name
Description
All: Benefit anyone gets for taking it.
Magician Benefit only Magicians get for taking it.
Adept Benefit only Adepts get for taking it.

Note: Mystic Adepts have to chose whether they are taking the Magician or Adept benefit when they pick their Mentor Spirit.

Hehe, this is kinda like we houseruled mentor spirits in SR4, although we handled the boni for adepts as favoured powers as per Way of the Adept instead of free adept power ranks.