[Reiper]

I may have missed it in the thread that opened a few weeks ago, but since we now have some books and looks like the NDA is up, just a quick question.

Did they go with the priority build system, BP, Karma, or a new system, or did they allow for different systems to be used?

And if it is the priority system, how harsh is it? (was always one of my least favorite ones but I could make it work)

[Dinendae]

If you go to DrivethruRPG.com, you can get downloads of samples from the 5th Ed Rulebook (there's currently four out, that I know of). One of those (the second or third free preview) shows that they are using a priority system, but it is different from those used in the past. Alternate character generation methods will be available in the Run Faster book (5th Ed's player's companion).

[Reiper]

If you go to DrivethruRPG.com, you can get downloads of samples from the 5th Ed Rulebook (there's currently four out, that I know of). One of those (the second or third free preview) shows that they are using a priority system, but it is different from those used in the past. Alternate character generation methods will be available in the Run Faster book (5th Ed's player's companion).

Thanks, will check that out when I get home.

[KarmaInferno]

It's a priority system, but with greater granularity in the Metatype and Magic categories.

Each Priority in Metatype not only lists what metatypes you can use at the Priority level, but how many Special Attribute points you get to spend on Edge, Magic, and Resonance. For example, You can play as Human at any Priority level, but picking E gives you only one Special Attribute Point, where D gives you three, and so on.

Likewise, the higher Priority levels in Magic not only unlock different Magic/Technomancer options, but also determine how many bonus attributes, skills and spells you get. For example Priority A Magicians get a free Magic rating of 6, two free Rating 5 magical skills, and ten free spells, whereas Priority B only gives you Magic 4, two R4 skills, and seven free spells.

Afterwards, you get from 25 to 50 Karma Points to spend on rounding out your character.

So the answer to if they went with a Priority or Karma or Build Point system, the answer is "Yes". At the same time.




-k

[Reiper]

It's a priority system, but with greater granularity in the Metatype and Magic categories.

Each Priority in Metatype not only lists what metatypes you can use at the Priority level, but how many Special Attribute points you get to spend on Edge, Magic, and Resonance. For example, You can play as Human at any Priority level, but picking E gives you only one Special Attribute Point, where D gives you three, and so on.

Likewise, the higher Priority levels in Magic not only unlock different Magic/Technomancer options, but also determine how many bonus attributes, skills and spells you get. For example Priority A Magicians get a free Magic rating of 6, two free Rating 5 magical skills, and ten free spells, whereas Priority B only gives you Magic 4, two R4 skills, and seven free spells.

Afterwards, you get from 25 to 50 Karma Points to spend on rounding out your character.

So the answer to if they went with a Priority or Karma or Build Point system, the answer is "Yes". At the same time.




-k

I actually like that. I wasn't a huge fan of the priority system but this seems to be a nice change, and should make chargen much more streamlined (don't have to do tons of extra math).

[Mara]

So, for those who have the book(you lucky people):
Can one use the Freebie Karma to buy the various magical qualities(Magician, Adept, etc) and buy up magic?
Or are those only available through the Magic Priority?(I would expect if it is possible, they are not going to
be as good, as they would likely have to buy magic and skills and spells with their Freebie Karma, so have
much less to spend on other things, and get much less then by taking the priority..but I am wondering if
it is possible, not if it is optimal).

[Reiper]

This is from the freebie. You also get some Karma in the end to finish things off of, so you can probably up your magic a bit more if needed. But if you don't choose your magic/resonence priority other than E, then you can't pick it up. Forgive the bad formatting, its a copy and paste with me trying to fix it where I can.

PRIORITY TABLE
PRIORITY     METATYPE                ATTRIBUTES                  MAGIC OR RESONANCE                                                    SKILLS             RESOURCES
A                     Human (9)                         24                         Magician or Mystic Adept: Magic 6, two Rating 5                   46/10                 450,000¥
                      Elf (                                                                 Magical skills, 10 spells
                      Dwarf (7)                                                            Technomancer: Resonance 6, two Rating 5 Resonance
                      Ork (7)                                                                skills, 5 complex forms
                      Troll (5)

B                   Human (7)                            20                      Magician or Mystic Adept: Magic 4, two Rating 4                 36/5                               275,000¥
                      Elf (6)                                                               Magical skills, 7 spells
                      Dwarf (4)                                                        Technomancer: Resonance 4, two Rating 4 Resonance
                      Ork (4)                                                            skills, 2 complex forms
                      Troll (0)                                                           Adept: Magic 6, one Rating 4 Active skill
                                                                                              Aspected Magician: Magic 5, one Rating 4 Magical skill
                                                                                              group

C                  Human (5)                             16                Magician or Mystic Adept: Magic 3, 5 spells                                 28/2                              140,000¥
                     Elf (3)                                                           Technomancer: Resonance 3, 1 complex form
                    Dwarf (1)                                                      Adept: Magic 4, one Rating 2 Active skill
                    Ork (0)                                                         Aspected Magician: Magic 3, one Rating 2 Magical skill
                                                                                           group
   
D              Human (3)                        14                        Adept: Magic 2                                                                                      22/0                            50,000¥
                  Elf (0)                                                            Aspected Magician: Magic 2
14

E                Human (1)                            12                        —                                                                                                       18/0                             6,000¥



The number in the ( ) after the metatype is points for your special attributes (Magic/Resonance/Edge, so my understanding is you can do a B technomancer, C Elf and still have 6 resonance if you wanted to do that instead of just doing an A priority on TM.  Or you can put that towards edge of course too.

I do have one quick question to anyone more familiar than I am on this. on skills, the first number I assume is skill points, what is the second number? I assumed it to be knowledge skills but it doesn't seem right having 0 knowledge points on D and E but I could always karma buy that.

[blackangel]

Isn't it for group skills ?

[Shinobi Killfist]

The going guess is indeed group skills, no confirmation though. 

[mtfeeney = Baron]

It was confirmed when I asked that question the first day.  Either Bull or Patrick answered that it's skillgroup points.

[Critias]

Isn't it for group skills ?

Yes.

[Bull]

Magician/Adept is no longer a Quality, so no it can't be purchased at chargen.  The best you could do is take Magic D (WHich only gives you a Magic of 2 for Adept or Mystic Adept and no skills or powers) and go from there.

[Baquette]

That would be strange, considering that one of the example charactes build in the #4 preview is a mystic adept

SR5 basic book p70
Kyra won’t get any free Power Points for adept powers, so she decides to spend some of her Karma now just to keep things organized. Kyra decides to spend 10 Karma from her Karma fund to purchase 5 Power Points. She divides up those Power Points among the listed adept powers (p. 308), giving her a good mix of combat and social abilities.
...
Note that while adepts receive Power Points for free (equal to their Magic rating), mystic adepts do not. Mystic adepts must purchase Power Points using Karma at the cost 2 Karma per full Power Point. The maximum number of Power Points Mystic Adepts may have is equal to their Magic rating. These points would be purchased during Step Seven: Spending Your Left Over Karma (p. 98)

So no, no error, and you have just given mystic adepts almost free 4-6 power points

MfG

[Michael Chandra]

So I read something suggesting this on dumpshock, can someone confirm just to be sure, can you indeed take any amount of skills and skillgroups (not that you can do that with more than 1) at Rank 6 at chargen?

Because if so, dang that makes that 46/10 interesting. O_O

[Sunshine]

Has anybody an Insight into Character Advancement yet? Is it along the lines of 4th Edition, any major (or minor) changes?

love,
Sunshine