[Ryo]

I've yet to hear anybody say that errata is bullshit and that they should get free books. They're saying that the book isn't finished and they won't buy it until it is. So to make your analogy more accurate, it's like hearing that a fast food place doesn't have any burgers with pickles on it, and refusing to buy one until they start making them with pickles.

[AJCarrington]

Bull confirmed over on RPG.net earlier today that the second printing will not have errata incorporated. Basically a management decision to get the second run going as quickly as possible to ensure availability. The errata is not ready yet and they did not want to delay the second print run.

[Mad Hamish]

OTHER peoples stances are that they refuse to buy the book until they DO put im the errata into the corebook

And these are the ones that are causing problems. What they're expecting is, in my opinion, the same as going to a fast food burger joint and throwing a wall-eyed hissy fit because of a simple case of human error of putting pickles on the burger that was supposed to be no pickles and expecting two or three free meals out of it (yes people do that kind of crap).

That's a terrible comparison.
People are perfectly entitled to wait until the second printing before they buy it, people are perfectly entitled to wait until the magic handbook is released before they buy it.
People can choose to play a game or not as desired.
I also find it amusing that you're complaining about people not buying the game because known errata considering the noise you made about the preference system instead of build points or karma gen.

[All4BigGuns]

I also find it amusing that you're complaining about people not buying the game because known errata considering the noise you made about the preference system instead of build points or karma gen.

This has no bearing on the topic at hand, so please stop attacking me personally.

[Dangersaurus]

Bull confirmed over on RPG.net earlier today that the second printing will not have errata incorporated. Basically a management decision to get the second run going as quickly as possible to ensure availability. The errata is not ready yet and they did not want to delay the second print run.

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For those that missed it, here it is reposted:

It was posted as a reply over on teh Facebook page.  And it is sadly true.  The decision was made by upper management to go straight to the reprint, since certain places oversold their preorders (*cough*Amazon*cough*) meaning the distributors will have a hard time fulfilling all their orders, and they don't want to hold up preorders more than they have to.  And while we've been diligently collecting feedback for the Errata and FAQ, we're wanting to take our time and get as much as possible right, and that's a very lengthy and time consuming process with a book as large and a ruleset as complex as Shadowrun 5.  So the Errata isn't ready to go yet, and hasn't been implemented yet.  Upper Management decided that delaying the reprint for a month while we implement then vet the errata wasn't acceptable, and so we end up here. 

Bull

It's Amazon's fault! 

[Ryo]

Then I guess the people holding out will have to wait for the third printing.

[Mara]

It's Amazon's fault! 

Nothing good comes from Amazon...all bad in gaming is their fault.

[Sichr]

OTHER peoples stances are that they refuse to buy the book until they DO put im the errata into the corebook

And these are the ones that are causing problems. What they're expecting is, in my opinion, the same as going to a fast food burger joint and throwing a wall-eyed hissy fit because of a simple case of human error of putting pickles on the burger that was supposed to be no pickles and expecting two or three free meals out of it (yes people do that kind of crap).

That's a terrible comparison.
People are perfectly entitled to wait until the second printing before they buy it, people are perfectly entitled to wait until the magic handbook is released before they buy it.
People can choose to play a game or not as desired.
I also find it amusing that you're complaining about people not buying the game because known errata considering the noise you made about the preference system instead of build points or karma gen.

+1
Customer is guilty because he dont want  to spend 30USD on unfinished product now, to be forced to spend another 30USD when the 5th, almost finished version of the product hits the market. Hilarious. I bought my 5ed pdf, read through it, and will keep playing SRA for next 2 years until they fix all those mistakes done and 2nd print of Magic and Matrix book, also debugged at least a bit, will be out.

[Michael Chandra]

And lets be fair Micheal, we have both seen some wild exclamations that the game is broken... when in reality it is just laziness and hyper exageration on the OP side of things. (And usually compounded by a lack if will to follow ALL the rules listed)

But it IS broken. It's way too hard to create a munchkin build that a GM can't easily block! Rah!

Yeah, I agree, it's easy to balance things out, might include a tiny houserule here and there but it's easy to make rulings and calls.

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Gunnery requires a GM ruling. I go for G+L for all remote-control myself. As for Autosofts: We were given a temporary price already.

[Sichr]

That is not the case. Game mechanics are good, I like changes made in those. Well this
http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=11363.0
thread is 22 pages long. Solid argument for everyone who wants to wait.

[Kincaid]

Has there ever been a rpg released without a errata in its wake?  You'd think by now we'd all be used to having a few sheets of paper tucked into the rulebook.

[Sichr]

I dont think there was, or there ever will be, this kind of product done 100% right in first pass yield.

[Noble Drake]

There have been RPGs for which no errata was ever released... but only because the company that made them never even bothered to try making errata.

People used to play RPGs without errata included because the only way to get the errata was to buy a newer printing of the book.

But, like many things, along came an easier way to request and receive (but not actually an easier way to find the time to track down and implement) errata and people started to get more and more obsessed about it.

There never has been, and never will be, an RPG product produced that doesn't need errata.

[All4BigGuns]

Actually RPGs that don't need errata already exist, those being every single RPG out there. Just because there are those who would really want it doesn't mean it's needed.

[Sichr]

Actually RPGs that don't need errata already exist, those being every single RPG out there. Just because there are those who would really want it doesn't mean it's needed.

Yeah, right. A4BG strikes again.