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[SR5] Data Bomb vs Device Rating

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Unahim

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« Reply #15 on: <08-23-13/0819:38> »
Xenon: The limit for Edit File is based off of the Data Processing for the device you're using to Edit the file, not the limit for the device the file is on. If you're a decker, you'd use your data processing for the deck, not the low rating commlink, so there's no harsher limit on low rating commlinks at all where files are concerned.

Also, that parentheses stuff? I'm not too sure about it.

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ERASE MATRIX SIGNATURE
(complex Action)
Marks Required: none
Test: Computer + Resonance [Attack] v. (Signature
Rating) x 2

This also has parentheses, but there is no way it is ever unopposed by signature rating.

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matrix perception
(complex Action)
Marks Required: none
Test: Computer + Intuition [Data Processing] (v. Logic
+ Sleaze)

In this case it is definitely sometimes unopposed. Notice how the "v." is also within the parenthesis here, though, and it's not for the two others.

Maybe the parenthesis were for clarity of reading (multiplication signs?) and for some reason not applied consistently to everything else? I -want- your interpretation to be true, but I've got to play devil's advocate a little here.

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« Reply #16 on: <08-23-13/0836:49> »
You need to be the Owner of the file you ant to protect, but yes you are correct. Since I am the owner of the file on my low budget commlink i an use my cyberdeck or a high rating commlink to edit the file and protect it. Good catch.


re data bomb. I am actually fine either way.
The reason for the first scenario is that all matrix devices actively tries to prevent you from hacking a bomb on files due to the new matrix protocol. Reason for the second scenario is that you have control over devices you own and they will not resist you when placing bombs on your own files. Both are acceptable imo.

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...but I've got to play devil's advocate a little here.
I would not want it another way. This is why i throw up my ideas on a forum. To have people challenge them.



We have a third version on Set Data Bomb
Software + Logic [Sleaze] v. (Device Rating x 2)

I agree that the parenthesis would only be there for clarity if they typed it like this:
Software + Logic [Sleaze] v. (Device Rating) x 2

And I agree that the parenthesis would indicate that it is not always resisted if they typed it like this:
Software + Logic [Sleaze]  (v. Device Rating x 2)

But then you have examples where you sometimes get extra dice from something....
Let's see... I think Counterspelling have a few examples like that:
Willpower + Logic (+ Counterspelling if available) [Mental]

Here is an example with spend Karma
Counterspelling + Magic [Astral] v. spell’s Force + caster’s Magic (+ amount of Karma spent on quickening the spell, if any).


Not sure what i am trying to say here.
The notation they used is weak and ambiguous
- it can be read both ways.

I tossed it up in the FAQ thread.

Unahim

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« Reply #17 on: <08-23-13/0856:12> »
I love SR5, but everything is so flunky in the wording, everywhere :p Not sure if SR4 had the same problem, I came in at SR4A.

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« Reply #18 on: <08-23-13/0934:46> »
SRAnything is usually a little flunky with wording. But considering how much can be done in an RPG and how one of the premiere metagames with any RPG is squeezing out every advantage from the rules, it's not really restricted to SR.
|DTG|Place|Address in Brackets
"Dialogue"
PC/NPC Names
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"Astral"
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« Reply #19 on: <08-23-13/1352:11> »
SRAnything is usually a little flunky with wording. But considering how much can be done in an RPG and how one of the premiere metagames with any RPG is squeezing out every advantage from the rules, it's not really restricted to SR.

True, but problems with (for instance) NWoD or D&D are usually not of this magnitude. In D&D you often get horrifically OP stuff caused by several different splats working together to make a monster (but not by misunderstanding, just because they weren't built with eachother in mind).