[Dakka]

What are the stats on this?  I went with GMC Bulldog except body 24.  Would like to do better tho.

[CanRay]

Which edition of Shadowrun?

[Dakka]

5th Ed. please.

[Namikaze]

Handling     1/1
Speed     4
Acceleration     1
Body     18
Armor     12
Pilot     3
Sensor     3
Seats     3
Availability     8
Price     80,000¥

The stats are derived from the Ares Roadmaster stats and the big rigs featured in 4th edition (specifically the Conestoga Trailblazer and GMC 4201 Series).  I would suggest having the rig be prepared for rigger control by default.  I would also suggest reducing the Handling to 0/0 and the Speed to 3 with a trailer attached.  The price was created by looking at the real-world price of similar rigs.

[Dakka]

A handling of 0 with the trailer attached would mean you would have to be rigger controlled to drive through town, or all your tests would be at a limit of 0 hits?

[Namikaze]

Bah - you're right.  Let's say the default is 2/2, and with the trailer it's 1/1.  Handling is so different in 5th edition now.

[JimmyCrisis]

I would reduce the armor as well.  The Roadmaster is a fighting vehicle, a mac truck is not.  I'd put it around 8.

[Kanly]

The GMC Bulldog isn't a fighting vehicle either (the Roadmaster is only an armored van, it's a step below APCs) and it has armor of 12.

[JimmyCrisis]

I was looking at the Rigger 3 book, I skipped 4th ed.  Anyway, the long-haul truck in that had 0 armor, and by that scale it has the same armor rating as a sedan.  Not that armor ratings in 3rd and 5th really compare.  Also, both the GMC Bulldog and Ares Roadmaster are armored vehicles by default.  The Gopher has a 10 armor though, which might be more appropriate.

[Namikaze]

I'd say any longhaul trucker in the 6th world better have some sort of armor, or he'll be taken out by every go-gang from Seattle to DeeCee.

[Dakka]

Agree, some armor is clearly necessary.  I could see 10.  The GMC Bulldog has 12 because it's probably marketed to Shadowrunners.

[Kanly]

No it's not marketed to Shadowrunners. It's not worth it, there are too few. It's a delivery van, it has to be armored. Just like there is armor clothing, every vehicle has some armor, at least against ricochets and weaker shrapnel.

The Bulldog is written to be armoured, but the SK Concordat or the Rover 2072 isn't. Yet they have the same amount of armor.

[All4BigGuns]

The Bulldog is written to be armoured, but the SK Concordat or the Rover 2072 isn't. Yet they have the same amount of armor.

The latter two are more 'high end' vehicles, so most who own them are going to be wealthy. Thus they have more armor to protect those damn rich bastards.

[Kanly]

The Bulldog is written to be armoured, but the SK Concordat or the Rover 2072 isn't. Yet they have the same amount of armor.

The latter two are more 'high end' vehicles, so most who own them are going to be wealthy. Thus they have more armor to protect those damn rich bastards.

Indeed. The point is, the book doesn't have to write down the word "armored" in order for a vehicle to need or have armor.

As Namikaze mentioned, a truck needs armor too, just the same way a delivery van does.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

GMC 4201 Series

This, right here.  Convert from 3rd to 5th as necessary, but the GMC 4201 is the standard big-rig, as pictured above.  (IIRC, the Conestoga is a a lot more 'land train', and gets finicky.)