[LionofPerth]

There's also the ambiguity of dual-vector toxins and protection/immunity against only one vector. We still haven't got real clarity from the devs what was intended here.

For example, what happens when a character with gear providing Immunity against inhalation vector toxins is hit by a toxin with both Inhalation and Contact vectors?

A respirator is also a much more common sight due to rampant pollution. Fluff seems to indicate that you could be walking down the streets of Seattle wearing a respirator and no one would look twice; a gas mask stands out more in a crowd. That's not always a relevant consideration, of course, but it is A consideration.

True, though I'd argue, if you're on a Run, you're already being conspicuous, so you're loosing nothing by going for it.

Respirator for the day job, gas mask for the night job?

Really I take the view if your being conspicuous on a run your doing it wrong. Well unless your job is to be obvious.

Take it to mean that even when you're not being obvious, you can become obvious pretty quickly. There's something about doing something illegal that just raises people's attention, if and when they notice you.

With Xenon's post, that requires a little thought on my end, while I certainly agree with it. The language could be better on the rule books part. If that's the case, surely a respirators filter should have to be replaced as well?

[Michael Chandra]

Hmm, these things make me wonder...  Can you apply the YNT Softweave upgrade to armor add-ons?  Like to your helmet so it has 9 slots instead of 6?

I don't see why not, though as GM I'd likely rule that if the Armor isn't softweaved the helmet won't fit. Furthermore, I'd only allow it with helmets (and if you consider Armor-Stack Armor Accessories, then those as well), not with SecureTech and the socks and such. Maaaaaaybe with Shields.

[Xenon]

...surely a respirators filter should have to be replaced as well?

Eventually, yes.
Big difference is that with a respirator you exhale into the surrounding atmosphere.
And you breathe the surrounding atmosphere (after it pass through a filter which give you a positive dice pool modifier to resist inhalation vector based toxins).

With a re-breather you breathe the same air over and over and over again (just adding a bit of oxygen now and then to keep the oxygen levels up). The gas you exhale need to pass the scrubber filter which will "soak" up the excess carbon dioxide and eventually the scrubber filter will be saturated, but the gas never leave the system. So you are actually not exhaling anything into the surrounding atmosphere (same as if you use a re-breather system for diving at a constant depth there will be no bubbles for the enemies to spot on the surface).

...and if you don't exhale anything into the actual room then you are not leaving anything that can be analyzed (maybe by some sort of carbon dioxide sensor or whatever). And if you don't inhale anything from the actual room then you will be fully immune to any inhalation vector based toxins that might exist in the room....

[LionofPerth]

...surely a respirators filter should have to be replaced as well?

Eventually, yes.
Big difference is that with a respirator you exhale into the surrounding atmosphere.
And you breathe the surrounding atmosphere (after it pass through a filter which give you a positive dice pool modifier to resist inhalation vector based toxins).

With a re-breather you breathe the same air over and over and over again (just adding a bit of oxygen now and then to keep the oxygen levels up). The gas you exhale need to pass the scrubber filter which will "soak" up the excess carbon dioxide and eventually the scrubber filter will be saturated, but the gas never leave the system. So you are actually not exhaling anything into the surrounding atmosphere (same as if you use a re-breather system for diving at a constant depth there will be no bubbles for the enemies to spot on the surface).

...and if you don't exhale anything into the actual room then you are not leaving anything that can be analyzed (maybe by some sort of carbon dioxide sensor or whatever). And if you don't inhale anything from the actual room then you will be fully immune to any inhalation vector based toxins that might exist in the room....

Sounds like something to definitely have on a Run then, especially if the security has been upgraded.

Each has their place and uses.

[OneofSorrow]

The idea of putting a respirator or gas mask in a ballistic mask kind of makes me think of the whole Darth Revan mask or Vader if you like helmets.  

[Tenlaar]

It makes me think of something closer to Cobra Commander.

[Michael Chandra]

About armor add-ons, by the way, it's not explicitly clear if all armors can get them or just the Spacesuit. But that likely ain't a concern.

[Xenon]

SR5 Gas Mask?

[LionofPerth]

Maybe.... to be honest I was more thinking something with a hood as well. Something that helped provide some protection against contact vector agents.

At least if you compare to the respirator, the idea that it was self contained unit really stood out.

[ProfessorCirno]

I always saw the main benefit of a respirator over a gas mask is that it's always on.  Gas mask you have to activate, and with some gasses, that might translate to "you had to activate it before the gas actually hit you, uh,oops"

[Booze]

I see that this disscusion is an undying one. Here are my suggestion at the topic.

-I see no problem with integrating a Ballisic Mask onto Gas Mask [it is not a typo]. As it would be simply a reinforced/armored variant of a combat gas mask.

-Also I see no problem with integrating a respirator into a Ballistic Mask as respirator itself is just set of filters. That keeps miniaturizing with time. At the beggining of bio/chem warfare at some point WWI they were big as 1.5L bottle so it was attached to chest, or backpack, with a hose to the mask itself. Nowdays commercial and military ones are quite small, the active carbon filtering system for most of biohazards is a size of big coin up to a size of can of sardines.

-Oh, so I wouldn't mind integrating respirato to a gas mask as it is a spall system, and doesn't need to be inside gas mask itself, it could a back up. With another 'hose' for it. As you still need to activate the gas mask, so why not put the respirator on the 'exterior vent' of the gas mask?

-One of the last things that come to my mind, the respirator is not devined quite well. Does it or does it not cover your eyes? This is crucial for countermeasuring some hazards, like peper gas.

It makes me think of something closer to Cobra Commander.

-In my judgment this is a respirator, as it have a filter, not air supply of its own. As for me those simple medical mask and industrail mask so commonly seen on japanese streets also are some kind of respirators. So those wich Xenon posted would be more accurate.

[martinchaen]

That's all nice and well, Booze, but the rules for Gas Masks include this line on page 449:
"It cannot be combined with a regular respirator."

You are of course free to house rule it, but that wording is pretty straight forward, neh?

[Booze]

That's all nice and well, Booze, but the rules for Gas Masks include this line on page 449:
"It cannot be combined with a regular respirator."

You are of course free to house rule it, but that wording is pretty straight forward, neh?

Oh, yea. Your right, and I'm at work now AFB, as always... sorry. Still you could just close your eyes and dont breathe and change gas mask for a respirator, right? xD I'm pretty sure there is some military trainning of this sort

And here is a conceptual picture for this topic, of integrating Ballisitc Mask with 'respiratory system'.

Hope this is going to help with the idea itself

[LionofPerth]

That's an interesting piece of kit to be honest.

Actually, a little part of me wonders if it's as suggested, rather an up-armoured gas mask you're buying if you want to combine the two items.

[Xenon]

...Does it or does it not cover your eyes?

Good question.

SR5 gas mask cover your entire face (including, but not limited to, your eyes).


This is how i picture SR5 respirators: