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Koshnek

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« on: <06-29-14/1338:27> »
So, what do you guys think would you allow it? The rules seem to allow it, but I kinda cocked my head a little when I wrote it down, so I googled some images. It seems like the two might conflict unless we've developed new silencer tech in the future.

Also, do ALL weapons have side mounts? It seems like side mounts are new in R&G, but many guns only have specific mount locations in SR5. Are R&G side mounts on every gun that can take accessories? I.E. tasers and holdouts no, but pistols and up yes?
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« Reply #1 on: <06-29-14/1616:24> »
1) Probably not, no - unless the silencer is actually built into the gun, i.e. a modification, not an accessory.  I might allow it, though, after pointing out that a silencer is generally about the same length as a bayonet - 4-6" - and to use the bayonet is going to do damage to your silencer.

2) Dunno.  Side mounts are an interesting idea, but would depending highly on the weapon - and I'd say probably not pistols.  If the barrel housing moves during recoil, then no side mount is possible - because that's pretty much where the side mount is, errr, mounted.
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« Reply #2 on: <06-30-14/0320:24> »
I'd say not. As a general rule to what I know of, the bayonet lug would get covered by a suppressor. Even if a suppressor was built into the weapon, I would still say no.

As for the side mounts, it would very much depend on the weapon. As a rule, I'd say that at a minimum, all submachine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, do have side mounts. Machine pistols, pistols, hold outs, not in my game. Bolt action rifles, maybe, run it by me.
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« Reply #3 on: <07-01-14/0057:47> »
I would need some in game justification to allow a bayonet and a silencer... like the armor/gunsmithing skill and a workshop to make it. Definately NOT a store bought option :P

To have a side mount, the gun needs an unmoving side... so Smg and up only.
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« Reply #4 on: <07-01-14/1716:19> »
As a general rule to what I know of, the bayonet lug would get covered by a suppressor.

I would need some in game justification to allow a bayonet and a silencer...

Just duct tape a knife handle to the silencer... All solved and little skill needed :)

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« Reply #5 on: <07-02-14/1217:50> »
Just duct tape a knife handle to the silencer... All solved and little skill needed :)

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« Reply #6 on: <07-02-14/1246:55> »
Actually, that sounds like a perfect example of usage of the Jury Rigger positive quality :D

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« Reply #7 on: <07-03-14/0257:10> »
As a general rule to what I know of, the bayonet lug would get covered by a suppressor.

I would need some in game justification to allow a bayonet and a silencer...

Just duct tape a knife handle to the silencer... All solved and little skill needed :)

Just make sure that any cross-guard on the knife isn't in the way of where the round comes out of the muzzle, or the first time you shoot your gun will be...unpleasant. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: <07-11-14/0844:01> »
I am sure in the 2070´s some company will have made a bayonet rail adapter so you do not need a bayonet lug on your rifle (hell there are fricking chainsaws attachable!!!).

So  silencers and bayonets might work... but better be sure to get a looong bayonet!

Or you could use an overlong freefloating frontrail set-up that covers the silencer almost to the tip... hm that actually might look really badass... stupid but badass  8)

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« Reply #9 on: <07-11-14/0846:58> »
I stab the darkness with my bayonet-silencer after shooting it!!1!

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« Reply #10 on: <07-14-14/1103:44> »
I would say that the player could do the bayonet-silencer combo, but with modifiers, like a -2 modifier for stabbing with the bayonet or make it prone to breakage.

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« Reply #11 on: <07-14-14/1945:43> »
y not put a shaped charge, directional explosive on it instead?

pfft a knife, really?

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« Reply #12 on: <07-14-14/2018:30> »
There are weapons with integral silencers, like the Yamaha Raiden.  It would be fine to mount a bayonet on something like that... depending on the model.  As long as the silencer can itself is built into the barrel and doesn't extend past the foregrip, a bayonet should be fine.  The Ingram Smartgun X would be a hard NO, going by the image.

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« Reply #13 on: <07-14-14/2246:07> »
Why not?

I mean, last time I checked the Bayonet wasn't some OMGWTFBBQ gamebreaking item so if your player wants to have both, let them do it? If you really need to, you can make up any number of justifiable excuses for this (the silencer is actually just a modification to the barrel and not something you screw on, the silencer is very short etc etc.

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« Reply #14 on: <07-15-14/0203:32> »
Well, according to the rulebooks, the bayonet is a top-or-bottom mounted modification to assault rifles or larger (Run & Gun, pg. 50-51) and the silencer/suppressor is a barrel-mounted addon. (Core Rulebook, not with me to check the page.)

Not seeing the conflict in the rules. Maybe in visualizing it...