Both improved reflexes and wired reflexes explicit state that they also affect initiative [attribute] and/or [physical] initiative (depending on your reading).
Prove it. Wired reflexes and improved reflexes explicitly state that they improve the Reaction and Initiative Dice of the recipient. Show me where it says that it improves Initiative directly, and I'll eat my shoes. The only line in here about improving Initiative is the part about how the bonus to Reaction also affects Initiative.
This power increases the speed at which you react, just like wired reflexes. For each level, you receive +1 to Reaction (this also affects Initiative) and +1D6 Initiative Die (to a maximum of 5D6). The maximum rating of Improved Reflexes is 3, and the increase cannot be combined with other technological or magical increases to Initiative.
Wired reflexes: This highly invasive, painful, life-changing operation adds a multitude of neural boosters and adrenaline stimulators in strategic locations throughout your body work to catapult you into a whole new world where everything around you seems to move in slow motion. The system includes both manual and wireless triggers to turn the wired reflexes on and off; activating or deactivating the trigger manually requires a Complex Action, doing so wirelessly is a Simple Action.
When activated, each rating point of wired reflexes gives you +1 Reaction (and accompanying bonus to Initiative) and +1D6 Initiative Die. Wired reflexes are incompatible with augmentations that affect Reaction or Initiative.
Wireless: The system is compatible with wireless reaction enhancers, and the total Reaction bonus from both systems can be above +4 if both systems have wireless active.
They are tied together.
Yes and no. Reaction is a part of Initiative, because Initiative is derived from Reaction. But if you increase Initiative, it doesn't necessarily result in an increase to Reaction (or Intuition for that matter).
When you activate wired reflexes you get an increased reaction, initiative attribute, initiative dice, initiative score and physical initiative.
Not true. When you activate Wired Reflexes, you get a bonus to Reaction and Initiative Dice. The bonus to reaction also affects you derived Initiative. Since you seem to have difficulty understanding how derivation works, let me give you a definition and example:
de·rive verb \di-ˈrīv, dē-\
: to take or get (something)
from (something else)
: to have something as a source : to come
from something
This means that if I have a bushel of apples, and I make a bunch of apple pies with those apples, I have derived an apple pie from the apples. The apple pie is not the apples, and the apples are not the apple pie. But they are intrinsically related to each other.
The increase to reaction might or might not stack with improved reflexes, but the increase to initiative attribute (and physical attribute) does not stack with improved reflexes.
You can have both improved reflexes 2 and wired reflexes 2 at the same time. It might or might not increase your reaction attribute up to the augmented maximum of 4, but you can't stack improved reflexes with increases to physical initiative (or initiative attribute, still not really clear which one of the two they mean here) so you can't stack them both to get an increased initiative attribute of 4 (or an increased physical initiative of 4 and 4d6).
Might or might not? I thought you were definitive in your position here.
It does seem as if increased reflexes spell might stack with wired reflexes (but not with improved reflexes or synaptic boosters).
Synaptic boosters doesn't even stack with drugs.
Adrenaline Boost stack with wired reflexes and increase reflexes... depending on if improved reflexes talk about initiative [attribute] or [physical] initiative it might or might not stack with this power as well.
Attribute boost reaction stack with improved reflexes (unlike WR it does not affect initiative attribute nor physical initiative), wired reflexes and increase reflexes. Doesn't stack with synaptic boosters.
None of these things are in question here. The topic is about the suprathyroid gland and improved reflexes. It feels like you're trying to further derail this topic in an effort to not admit you're wrong. Additionally, you're applying the stacking bonus to Reaction in some examples, and stating that a bonus to Reaction can't stack in other examples.
P.160 talk about increasing initiative by activating an augmentation. Increasing initiative by 2 by activating an implant. I let you decide if they tall about initiative attribute or physical initiative here, but I like to point out that all augmentations that increase initiative attribute does so by increasing your reaction attribute.
Who cares if all augmentations that increase Initiative do so via the Reaction attribute?
The whole point of getting weird reflexes is to increase your initiative (!)
I don't see why you felt the need to make another post just to say this. This isn't in question, Xenon.
I've cited the book multiple times, I've given you hard facts to back up my opinion, others have chimed in to agree with my interpretation. If you won't let it go, I will. This is just getting silly at this point, because I am repeating myself over and over again, but you keep changing your opinion in order to keep an argument going. Good day, Xenon.
