[welldressedgent]

I'm confused about who can accept them. Can they go on anything?

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[Namikaze]

Realistically, a side mount can be applied to almost any firearm.  Pistols generally don't accept side mounts simply because it screws up the balance of them pretty hard, but in SR let's just assume that side mounts on pistols are advanced enough to not throw off balance.

[ZeConster]

The page 51 sidebar in Run&Gun says "light pistols can only take top and barrel-mounted accessories, while hold-outs can't take accessories at all", so at the very least, those two don't have a side mount, I guess?

[welldressedgent]

Thankyou Namekaze.

Zecoaster: my impression is that anything can take anything if it's installed as a mod.
Rules are kinda fuzzy though hence my question.

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[Namikaze]

I think the limitations that ZeConster brings up are viable - light pistols and hold-outs probably would suffer hugely from the lack of a barrel for the side mount to be installed upon.

[ZeConster]

Zeconster: my impression is that anything can take anything if it's installed as a mod.
Rules are kinda fuzzy though hence my question.

The only modifications are the advanced safety system (internal), extreme environment modification (no slots), folding stock (stock), gecko grip (stock if the weapon has a stock slot, otherwise no slots), underbarrel X ("underneath" or underbarrel) - none of them use a side slot, and I don't see any rules in Run&Gun about there being modification versions of 'regular' accessories.

[Kincaid]

Side mounts (and the internal slot) didn't exist prior to Run & Gun, so it's not a surprise that they aren't listed as an option in SR5.  Hold-outs can't take any accessories (cyber hold-outs being the exception, since they get a smartgun system), so there's no risk of one ending up with a side mount in any event.  If someone wants to stick a flashlight or a rangefinder on the side of his Light Fire, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

[ZeConster]

If someone wants to stick a flashlight or a rangefinder on the side of his Light Fire, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Even if Run&Gun itself explicitly states light pistols don't have side mounts?

[Namikaze]

I think if it's a side mount and nothing else, then I'm not going to get worked up over it.  If it's a side mount in addition to other mounts - that's a no-go.

[LionofPerth]

As a rule I have to go with what said in Run and Gun, as well as some firearms knowledge on my part. As a general rule, a shoulder weapon, that is requires two hands and has a stock, can accept side mounts. What you do with them is up to you, but they can be installed, modified.

Pistols, machine pistols etc, I have some issue with, but I believe that Run and Gun is more than adequate there.

If anything I have more issue that there's only nominally, RAW, one side mount on a rifle, you have a left and right, why can't I have a torch one side and a rangefinder on the other?

[Kincaid]

If someone wants to stick a flashlight or a rangefinder on the side of his Light Fire, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Even if Run&Gun itself explicitly states light pistols don't have side mounts?

Run & Gun doesn't explicitly state that anything can take a side mount, should we therefore assume that nothing can take a side mount?

[ZeConster]

If someone wants to stick a flashlight or a rangefinder on the side of his Light Fire, I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Even if Run&Gun itself explicitly states light pistols don't have side mounts?

Run & Gun doesn't explicitly state that anything can take a side mount, should we therefore assume that nothing can take a side mount?

I'm a bit confused here. Let me see if I get this straight:

• Run&Gun introduces the side mount for accessories, and a bunch of accessories that can go there
• You say that since the core rulebook doesn't have the side mount, core accessories should be allowed on side mounts, then proceed to say even light pistols should have side mounts (both Light Fires are light pistols)
• I mention that Run&Gun itself says light pistols and holdouts don't take side-mount accessories
• You misunderstand my post and ask a snarky rhetorical question

That about sum it up? Because the alternative is that you said X, I said "but Run&Gun explicitly says 'not X'", and you decided to counter with "but Run&Gun doesn't explicitly say Y, so by your logic, 'not Y'", which is fallacious.

[welldressedgent]

I don't think he's being snarky Zecoaster; but the place to put what can take what was at the top of the weapon class in the core rules. Those paragraphs exist in RnG, so why didn't they simply expand them with their new mounts? They found space to tell me that effects do not stack but not to tell me what goes where.

RnG says light pistols can't mount them? Dam I must've missed that. So heavy pistols can then?

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[Kincaid]

I don't think he's being snarky Zecoaster; but the place to put what can take what was at the top of the weapon class in the core rules. Those paragraphs exist in RnG, so why didn't they simply expand them with their new mounts? They found space to tell me that effects do not stack but not to tell me what goes where.

RnG says light pistols can't mount them? Dam I must've missed that. So heavy pistols can then?

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Snark wasn't my intent.  I assume he's referring to the sidebar on page 51, which duplicates the text from the core book.  This would mean that light pistols cannot mount a side accessory, but it would also mean that they couldn't mount an internal accessory, which seems strange.  A guncam is an internal accessory in R&G.  A strict reading of the sidebar would mean that Light Pistols cannot take a guncam.  A smartgun system is...an internal something?...that includes a camera.  Now we're in a situation in which a Light Pistol cannot take a guncam, since it's not listed as a slot in the sidebar, but can take something that includes a guncam, because neither the internal slot nor the accessory/modification distinction existed in the core book.

In fairness to anyone reading that sidebar, it doesn't do as much as it could to clarify the differences between internal accessories and internal modifications and how accessories from the core book may or may not be reclassified as modifications.  (For ease, I basically distinguish between "screwed on" and "baked in")  Everything in the core book is grouped together in the "accessory" category, including an internal smartgun system.  I imagine I'm not alone in thinking that an internal smartgun system can't be removed with the same ease as a scope.  I imagine there's some division on the issue of whether or not an internal smartgun system takes up the internal slot introduced in R & G.

[ZeConster]

I assume he's referring to the sidebar on page 51

What gave me away? Was it the fact that my first post in this topic literally said the following?

The page 51 sidebar in Run&Gun says "light pistols can only take top and barrel-mounted accessories, while hold-outs can't take accessories at all", so at the very least, those two don't have a side mount, I guess?

I don't think he's being snarky Zeconster; but the place to put what can take what was at the top of the weapon class in the core rules. Those paragraphs exist in RnG, so why didn't they simply expand them with their new mounts? They found space to tell me that effects do not stack but not to tell me what goes where.

Except my remark was specifically about Light Pistols, which RnG explicitly states only have a top and barrel mount.

RnG says light pistols can't mount them? Dam I must've missed that. So heavy pistols can then?

Like I said in my first post, the page 51 sidebar in Run&Gun says "light pistols can only take top and barrel-mounted accessories, while hold-outs can't take accessories at all" - this is prefaced by a "for example", but that's probably because there's weapons with further restrictions, like projectile weapons, laser weapons and flamethrowers.
All in all, the fact that they specifically called out light pistols, by exception-that-proves-the-rule logic, seems to indicate heavy pistols can indeed take side-mount accessories.

Personally, I'd assume the following, based on RAW:

• Accessories from the core rulebook don't go into side mounts (only laser sights and external smartgun systems offer a choice, and putting them on the side would cause issues with lining up shots)
• Projectile weapons can only take accessories which explicitly state they go onto projectile weapons (which so far, only appears to be the smartgun system) (Core)
• Hold-outs don't have side mounts (RnG)
• Light pistols don't have side mounts (RnG)
• Laser weapons don't have side mounts (RnG)
• Flamethrowers don't have side mounts (RnG)
• The other non-exotic ranged weapons from Core (even the tasers, apparently) have side mounts
• The exotic ranged weapons from Core probably have side mounts

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.