[Sir_Prometheus]

I thought all the adept powers were over costed and underpowered, AGAIN.  I don't think there's a single one I would take. Haven't looked at the spells yet.  Either way, it really takes balls to come out with this before the SG errata is done.

Really? Eidetic memory? Extra health/stun damage boxes for a measly 1 pp? Enthralling performance for 0.5? Sustaining of Force up to you magic rating for 1 PP?

I thought that the adept powers were pretty awesome - some of them too powerful and cheap. Differing opinions on the internet! Who knew?

Yes, really. One dmg box is in no way worth 1pp. Living focus is useless, was in 4th too. Why not just have your Mage sustain it? 1pp is a lot!

SG errata:

http://cdn.shadowruntabletop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/E-CAT27003E_SG-Errata.pdf?4713c7

Noted. Which still makes me think it'd have been better if they waited a day, or a week.

Also, it's only half an errata. They apparently didn't feel a need to fix the power costs or the ways, which are a wrong.

[ZeConster]

You seem to have mistaken "I don't like X" for "they didn't intend X".

[jim1701]

Cost effectiveness can be relative.  I think the cost for Supernatural Toughness is fine.  It is two boxes BTW (one stun, one physical) per level.  But my pys adept concept is a living wall.  He doesn't dodge damage, he eats it for breakfast and keeps going.  For other adept templates it not such a great deal though if you consider there really isn't any other way to add to you condition monitor so cheaply.

Personally I do agree with you about the Living Focus though as I've already stated.  But some seem to think its great.  YMMV I guess.

[Sir_Prometheus]

You seem to have mistaken "I don't like X" for "they didn't intend X".

If what they did with adept powers and Ways in SG was intended, son, there's a problem. 

[ZeConster]

You seem to have mistaken "I don't like X" for "they didn't intend X".

If what they did with adept powers and Ways in SG was intended, son, there's a problem.

Don't call me son, and don't use a topic about errata, which are by definition corrections for errors, to complain about the book itself.

[Sir_Prometheus]

You seem to have mistaken "I don't like X" for "they didn't intend X".

If what they did with adept powers and Ways in SG was intended, son, there's a problem.

Don't call me son, and don't use a topic about errata, which are by definition corrections for errors, to complain about the book itself.

I have a better idea -- please stop trying to tell me where and how to say something.

They pretty clearly left things out of SG to put it in this book.  They also haven't errata'd half the things in SG they should have.  And I'll complain about both wherever I like. 

I bought this.  I was hesitant to, because of the problems with SG, and the fact that (this morning) the errata wasn't out yet.  I did anyway cuz it was only $7.  I'm pretty regretful about this, now, and I would reccomend that you don't do the same. 

[MijRai]

They pretty clearly left things out of SG to put it in this book.  They also haven't errata'd half the things in SG they should have.  And I'll complain about both wherever I like. 

As one of the people who's been working on Shadowrun for Catalyst said;

Say what you'd like about the quality of the product, share your opinion about the material itself, etc, etc, all you want to.  But please don't start this sort of rumor/misinformation.  The e-book line and the core book line are, by and large, entirely separate from each other (which is often bemoaned by those who complain about miscommunication and miscues between the two lines).  The e-books have their own line developer, in fact, and as I understand it, they own budget, pay rates, you name it.  Individual writers will often work for both, over time, but the two branches are separate enough they have individual google groups and lines of communication, in fact.  E-book writers often have an idea of what's coming down the pipeline elsewhere in Shadowrun, and may try to coordinate enough to go "Hey, there's a magic book hitting, let's do some magic stuff!" or something similar, but it's actually pretty rare for projects to share writers, except occasionally as folks proofing or contributing small snippets here and there.

So, no.  It's not material "cut" from anywhere.

I'd suggest you read what the person who has first-hand knowledge of the system has to say (as I'm reasonably certain they have both a better perspective and more solid information than you).  Even if you don't trust the company, Critias has been active and helpful around here, which is a credit to his word, at least.  I'm personally aggravated a bit by this product, even if I do like the stuff put out with it, but that doesn't mean I'm telling everyone they're trying to gouge us all for extra money. 

By the way, as mentioned in their blog post, the errata for Street Grimoire (and Run & Gun) are living documents, which are supposed to be updated as time goes on.  You'll get more of the (many, I agree) issues fixed in time.  Here's the link: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/09/run-gun-and-street-grimoire-errata-is-happening-now/

[Digital_Viking]

What he said

[Sir_Prometheus]

They pretty clearly left things out of SG to put it in this book.  They also haven't errata'd half the things in SG they should have.  And I'll complain about both wherever I like. 

As one of the people who's been working on Shadowrun for Catalyst said;

Say what you'd like about the quality of the product, share your opinion about the material itself, etc, etc, all you want to.  But please don't start this sort of rumor/misinformation.  The e-book line and the core book line are, by and large, entirely separate from each other (which is often bemoaned by those who complain about miscommunication and miscues between the two lines).  The e-books have their own line developer, in fact, and as I understand it, they own budget, pay rates, you name it.  Individual writers will often work for both, over time, but the two branches are separate enough they have individual google groups and lines of communication, in fact.  E-book writers often have an idea of what's coming down the pipeline elsewhere in Shadowrun, and may try to coordinate enough to go "Hey, there's a magic book hitting, let's do some magic stuff!" or something similar, but it's actually pretty rare for projects to share writers, except occasionally as folks proofing or contributing small snippets here and there.

So, no.  It's not material "cut" from anywhere.

I'd suggest you read what the person who has first-hand knowledge of the system has to say (as I'm reasonably certain they have both a better perspective and more solid information than you).  Even if you don't trust the company, Critias has been active and helpful around here, which is a credit to his word, at least.  I'm personally aggravated a bit by this product, even if I do like the stuff put out with it, but that doesn't mean I'm telling everyone they're trying to gouge us all for extra money. 

By the way, as mentioned in their blog post, the errata for Street Grimoire (and Run & Gun) are living documents, which are supposed to be updated as time goes on.  You'll get more of the (many, I agree) issues fixed in time.  Here's the link: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2014/09/run-gun-and-street-grimoire-errata-is-happening-now/

I READ WHAT HE SAID.  I flat out do not to believe it.  Which is not to say I think Critias is lying, I just don't think it was a decision he was party to. It can be two separate writing teams and all that, that doesn't stop content from being withheld from SG just to appear in SS.

It's really, really clear this is Day One DLC.  Several things that were in Street Magic (not digital grimoire) were not in Street Grimoire, only to appear in this thing a couple months later. 

[Digital_Viking]

You weren't party to any decisions either, but you are more than willing to spread unfounded gossip and rumor. Here's the thing, of all the folks posting  Critias is the most likely to actually know what's going on. So I am going to take his word over someone prone to overreaction.

[MijRai]

Hey buddy, it's super obvious. Pointing out how obvious it is, is not spreading out rumors or gossip, it's pointing out something obvious.   And Critias seems like a nice guy, but his saying it isn't so doesn't make it not so.

It's not all that obvious, actually, seeing as a lot of people don't agree with you.  Critias saying it isn't so (as a person who works for Catalyst) has more validity than your saying it isn't so (with nothing but your purchase of the product, last I checked), and you claiming it is Catalyst just trying to gouge us is in fact gossip and rumor until you can either show evidence or a trend, not a single incident. 

[Kincaid]

It's strange that the same people who have two distinct product lines that managed to come up with different versions of the same power in separate publications are somehow also so coordinated that they can play a shell game across two books with traditions.

[Digital_Viking]

It's strange that the same people who have two distinct product lines that managed to come up with different versions of the same power in separate publications are somehow also so coordinated that they can play a shell game across two books with traditions.

Evidently it's as obvious as a yellow firetruck.

[Sir_Prometheus]

It's strange that the same people who have two distinct product lines that managed to come up with different versions of the same power in separate publications are somehow also so coordinated that they can play a shell game across two books with traditions.

Is it?  Because one of the problems with SG was that it had references to power as prereq's that didn't exist.......that now appear in SS (and the SG erratta).  Sounds to me like those powers were in SG to start with, and they took them out to print them later.

ANd just because they mess up on some things doesn't mean they can't coordinate on others, I mean I'd actually hope their was some organization, generally, just not in a mercenary way like this.

[8-bit]

@ Sir_Prometheus

You are seriously getting paranoid with the amount of coordination you are suggesting. If it is true, then these two lines are completely separate that don't work (that) closely with each other.

Not only is there no evidence for your, dare I say, accusations, but even if it were true, what are you going to do? It's already said and done, there are 2 separate pdfs/books that cover very similar subject matter. That's like accusing one person of writing a thesis on history and intentionally leaving out Ancient Rome, while his best friend writes a thesis that covers only Ancient Rome. Sure, the subject matter is very similar and could easily be incorporated into one document, but do you seriously believe multiple writers to be conspiring to leave stuff out of each other's works?

If it really pisses you off that much, just leave it alone (too late to not buy it from what I understand, you already have it), but since this is currently the only way to get this information, then some people find buying it worth it. If you have no more positive or negative criticisms on the product and you just want to rant about Catalyst taking your 7 dollars that you willingly spent, then go get yourself a drink and I suggest you leave the book alone and move on. From what I've read, you offered no more reason whether to get this or not other than "it should have been in Street Grimoire". Who cares if it was supposed to be in Street Grimoire? It wasn't, and I want this information so I'm willing to spend 7 dollars to buy the pdf for the options it gives me.

I'll just state this as my final line if you don't want to read this. You willingly spent the money to buy the product because you believed in the company enough and wanted the product badly enough. If it doesn't meet your expectations, then you're disappointed, I understand. You were not duped into spending money is the point; you did so because you wanted to. People are allowed to make decisions they regret, but that doesn't mean you should accuse everyone who created the product of all sorts of things because you are upset.