[Xenon]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Get+Your+Goat

[Kincaid]

Haha! 

The actual etymology---to the extent that it's known--is that goats were placed in the stall with a race horse the night prior to the race since it was believed they had a calming effect on the horse.  Getting one's goat involved exactly that--stealing a goat in the hopes that it would make the horse jittery and less likely to run well the next day.

[Reaver]

Now I am imagining someone with a monowhip in a penile implant, and want to write a short dialogue about a guy who had one until he critglitched and took off his own balls. I hate you all.

Make for one interesting, and bloody, "helicopter dance".

[Tarislar]

Mono-Whip is legal starting equipment as is the finger compartment, which specifically mention it and even gives actions types for deploying and retracting. There is no doubt that is legit, and both RAW and RAI. Further Mono-Weapon foci despite being an abomination in my opinion have also been seen in play. I ran across a PC with one back in 4th Missions.  Do i think that's RAI? No. But I do think it not disallowed under RAW.

Forget PC's,  I'm pretty sure there have been NPC's with both CyberSpur & MonoWhip as Weapon Foci in published adventures.

[Tarislar]

but the ignore list is a bit of a godsend - it prevents people from getting into unnecessary flame wars.

Does it stop you from getting PM's from people too ?

[8-bit]

but the ignore list is a bit of a godsend - it prevents people from getting into unnecessary flame wars.

Does it stop you from getting PM's from people too ?

Yes. Everything except emails and IMs I believe, but those both require you to have those registered to your Shadowgrid account in the first place.

[Lucean]

Mono-Whip is legal starting equipment as is the finger compartment, which specifically mention it and even gives actions types for deploying and retracting. There is no doubt that is legit, and both RAW and RAI. Further Mono-Weapon foci despite being an abomination in my opinion have also been seen in play. I ran across a PC with one back in 4th Missions.  Do i think that's RAI? No. But I do think it not disallowed under RAW.

Forget PC's,  I'm pretty sure there have been NPC's with both CyberSpur & MonoWhip as Weapon Foci in published adventures.

Why should the writers restrain themselves more than the average player?
Some things that are RAW will be used, because of Rule of Cool, even if they should be hard to pull off. It's in the responsibility of each table to discuss the use of certain elements. But if all agree it's good to go.

[Xenon]

Forget PC's,  I'm pretty sure there have been NPC's with both CyberSpur & MonoWhip as Weapon Foci in published adventures.

...but have there ever been NPC's with Bone Lacing Weapon Foci?

[prismite]

I don't think it's legal inside the RAW for reasons others have pointed out, but if a player had a bunch of money, the right contacts, and the sincere desire to do it, I'd let him find a way, but that's just me as a GM.

I find that THIS is the best approach to just about anything in this game. As the thread goes in the other forums, as a GM of a co-op storytelling game your answer should always be "Yes" -or- you should be rolling dice. I found this terribly difficult to follow in the beginning, but now it seems to work wonders.

[Tarislar]

...but have there ever been NPC's with Bone Lacing Weapon Foci?

Newp.  Not that I've ever heard of.

[Lucean]

I don't think it's legal inside the RAW for reasons others have pointed out, but if a player had a bunch of money, the right contacts, and the sincere desire to do it, I'd let him find a way, but that's just me as a GM.

I find that THIS is the best approach to just about anything in this game. As the thread goes in the other forums, as a GM of a co-op storytelling game your answer should always be "Yes" -or- you should be rolling dice. I found this terribly difficult to follow in the beginning, but now it seems to work wonders.

Money may be one of the best superpowers (Ironman, Batman ), but it shouldn't make things possible that are not supported by the rules or the flavor of the gameworld.

[prismite]

Money may be one of the best superpowers (Ironman, Batman ), but it shouldn't make things possible that are not supported by the rules or the flavor of the gameworld.

See, I feel the group establishes a distinction about how and why they are playing. I've been in SR games that are not based on illegal activities at all, and I've been in games where the game was more like "Second Life" ... and all were fairly amazing experiences.

The rules ... well, to quote Cpt. Barbossa "Their more like guidelines, really." And in the end, you kind of gravitate towards the kind of game that your players want. Sometimes there are going to be situations that pop up that there simply are no rules for. That doesn't mean you're doing it wrong ... just ... different.

[Shaidar]

Mechanically speaking you would get the same bonus to skill rating getting a Improved Ability Qi Focus.

Foci Type	Force	Bonding Cost	Availability	Cost
Weapon	1	3	4	7,000¥
Qi	2	4	6	6,000¥

[Tarislar]

Now here's a compromise.
Wouldn't a Shock Hand, as a Melee Weapon, qualify as a Weapon Foci?
And in turn it would do you Bone Lacing damage if you were not using it in its "Shock" capacity but just punching someone.
Not saying its RAI, but it kinda seems to be RAW.

[Michael Chandra]

Money may be one of the best superpowers (Ironman, Batman ), but it shouldn't make things possible that are not supported by the rules or the flavor of the gameworld.

See, I feel the group establishes a distinction about how and why they are playing. I've been in SR games that are not based on illegal activities at all, and I've been in games where the game was more like "Second Life" ... and all were fairly amazing experiences.

The rules ... well, to quote Cpt. Barbossa "Their more like guidelines, really." And in the end, you kind of gravitate towards the kind of game that your players want. Sometimes there are going to be situations that pop up that there simply are no rules for. That doesn't mean you're doing it wrong ... just ... different.

The tactic doesn't work for every table, and not every player is following the social contract of "don't try to exploit loopholes". So unfortunately "yes" or "let's roll some dice" isn't the right answer. For example, what would you do if a player demands a Banshee? I am not even exaggerating here, we've had a debate in the past where someone argued that if players wanted a Banshee in chargen, the GM should simply give them the Banshee.