Hello, everybody.
@Poindexter:
I'm sorry that you're leaving and I'm also sorry I created hard feelings (as I also expressed e.g. in "I hope you're not pissed with me."). But I'm not sorry about what I wrote because this is still my opinion. If you use the skill points (which are equally expensive no matter which level you take) only for 5es and 6es and Karma (which is quite cheap at lvl 1) only for 1s, this is cost-efficient. If you, however, use ALL you skill points on 5es and 6es and buy 14 (in words: fourteen) skills on lvl 1 with karma, there is reason to ask you on your view about this, because it does smell like min-maxing. I did never say you were min-maxing, I asked your opinion and I said, I was unhappy about the unrealistic build but still fine with you to go for it. And RR and I were very specific about this being focussed on good roleplay rather than good stats.
I also uttered a similar opinion regarding another player's build (although it was by far less extreme) and nobody got emotional.
I am also quite positive that it is nothing a GM should not do to point out that it is really dangerous to live in a broken-down van when you carry stuff worth thousands of nuyen with you - tens of thousands if anyone realizes what your sword really is. This is not "wanting to rob you" anymore than letting the guards shoot at you during the run is "wanting to kill you".
And this is way I gut quite upset about your insinuation. I'm doing my job here, and if your char lives in a deliberately chosen dangerous situation, I have to make you aware of it and roll a lucky die whether you got away with it or not in case you stay in the danger zone. Raven Runner and I spent a whole lot of time and effort in this stuff and we still do. We try to create an exciting environment in which we all can have fun. I estimate things as good as I can, but if I have come to a decision, while I’m ready to discuss it in case I missed something (I make many mistakes and admit it), I also must ask players to accept a GM’s decision at some point.
That said: yes, I’m showing my „true colors“ any time: I try to be as fair as I can, I would never seriously harm any character unharmed, but I can also be strict if need be. The world our runners live in is not a pink feel-fine-zone. I think I always wrote in a respectful way (until, that is, when instead of logical arguments came a personal attack) and I always will.
So, to shortly answer your questions/statements before we can close that file.
A- no one is upset. I am not trying to pull anything over on you and the multiple insinuations that I am is offensive.
B- You are the one who brought up having xem get his place robbed, then you freak out when i repeat it? whats your problem?
C- Aint no need for internet threats up in here. Grow up with your "We WILL have a problem, chummer." bullshit, huh?
D- Maybe i been GMing since yesterday and maybe I been GMing since the fuckin purple d and d box came out, but that aint relevant to this discussion.
E- I never said lifestyle didn't matter. Stop putting words in my mouth.
F- I never said Xem couldnt afford a higher lifestyle, but with the way i envisioned the character, that's the lifestyle he had. I'm sorry you have such a problem with it, and with your authority being challenged in any way.
G- Thank you for showing me your true colors before I got too invested in this game.
H- Mentioning that your SINless dwarf would have trouble renting an apartment is not "fucking around on a personal level".
A: You never explained me, however, how optimizing your stats in a unrealistic way does not fall under the catergory min-maxing.
B: I said, I will have to roll a lucky die to see whether your place gets robbed or not. This is no more „a GM wanting to rob you because of a legal build“ than some random critter on your way is „a GM wanting to kill you because of whatever“.
C: Until then, I never got personal. But there are limits to my patience and this is when I get offensed as a person. By the way, before the „we
will get a problem“ statement there also was an
if.
D: I was not posing with my experience as a GM, as you might remember, but pointed out that in more than 15 years everybody felt treated fair by me and that it might not only be entirely my fault if you feel pissed about me not wanting a B resources guy living a truck and feeling safely.
E: No, but you got furious when I explained you how lifestyle does matter in regards of security.
F: I have no problem with it. It’s you who has problem with the consequences of a squatter lifestyle. And please don’t argue about the risk of living almost unprotectedly with stuff worth a fortune for a starved group of gangers.
G: You’re welcome. I think it’s quite important to show who one is any time.
H: It is as it’s not in the least connected to our debate. And, by the way, my Dwarf is not SINless.
Okay, let’s get to happier business now.
I will be a slow start, wasn't expecting to have game start so soon, I need to figure out how to change colors ( I see the option to as I type this just wanna get my sig set up for easy reverence), and get my finished sheet tonight to the GM's.
No problem at all. To be honest, there’s still a lot o‘ things we have to sort out, but I thought, since the characters might want to chit-chat a bit before they get to business, we’d have plenty of time to do that even if we start now. And I was eager to play, as (as I think) most of you are
Re: color...I wonder if it would be easier if every one just stuck with the color coding in their signature? I'm finding it confusing when folks are typing using the colors for this game but their signature is is for a different game...and I wouldn't want folks to have to keep changing signatures. For me, seeing what they wrote and having their signature right there to explain the colors is fine by me...and then every one can use what ever they want...but I totally understand if other folks (or you Volker) want to keep every one using the same colors...I will differ to group preference of course
I’m not sure if this will not get confusing, everybody using different colors. 8-bit and me are posting the color set in use in our signatures so you can look it up anytime. But I am also fine with everybody using different colors, if that’s easier for you.
What do the others think?
(Uh, by the way, since Poindexter’s out of the game anyway, I would prefer the colors that are still in my signature again
).
Also, to every one involved in this game, if there are any concerns or conflicts between any one in the future I'd like to know about it. PMs mean that a lot can go on behind the scenes, and that's fine, but I don't like GMing a game where there are any serious disagreements going on and I (as one the the GMs) have no idea about it.
This all developed real fast. I think, you were sleeping all or most of the time. In any case, you were not online in between, as Poindexter and me were online at the same time and PMs were buzzing around like busy bumblebees. But yes, I should have CCed to you every PM and will do so in future. It started as a minor remark and then spun out of control. Sorry for that, chummer.
[EDIT: SnowDragon asked if there was still place. We could ask him if he wants to jump in spontaneously. If you like the idea, go ahead. I would ask, but I don't want to pass over you again.]
