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Slavery in Shadowrun

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Headhunter

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« on: <01-05-15/1448:15> »
Is there any places were slavery is legal or at least very active

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« Reply #1 on: <01-05-15/1458:17> »
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« Reply #2 on: <01-05-15/1526:11> »
It's not legal in New Orleans, but that city is a main hub of the slave trade.
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« Reply #3 on: <01-05-15/1550:12> »
Legal?  Most of central Africa, parts of south-east Asia.  In that case though, it's not so much 'legal' as 'there's no laws to apply'.  As far as active goes...  Check a lot of port cities, eastern Europe, practical serf-dom in Aztlan areas, etc.  Given the state of the world, I'd definitely spread it out, especially with SINless for people to abuse the world-over. 
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« Reply #4 on: <01-05-15/1613:38> »
Isn’t limited corporate SIN slavery? And what about some of the contract Megas impose on some talents?

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« Reply #5 on: <01-05-15/1851:25> »
Wage slavery as it applies to the megacorps isn't even close to the same thing. It's where the corper has accumulated a debt to the corp compared to what they are paid that they can never pay off. But there's at least a pretense of them being free. It's also a really shitty way to run a business because unpayable debts are weights dragging the corp's profits down, which is contrary to the singular duty owed to shareholders to make them money. But that debt is enforceable internationally, and if the employee runs away and later gets caught by a signatory state of the Business Recognition Accords, they can extradite the employee back to the corp.

MCT does maintain outright indentured servitude for sex workers, though. Probably others, too.

It used to be legal in Tsimshian, and is likely practiced in reality and in spite of the post-Crash 2.0 government banning it in 2065. The Salish are pretty laissez faire in their own country. They and the Sioux and local collaborators, er ... protectorate officials, don't really have the capability to enforce it nationwide. Besides, indentured servitude as criminal punishment was/is practiced in SSC by the Tsawassen tribe. In Dirty Tricks, Mika describes how bringing it back (as well as public executions) is part of the economic development platform of one of the political parties.

Metas were pretty much slaves in Japan until the new emperor took power, but again, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's uncommon.

Wage slavery/indentured servitude is common in the parts of the CAS you would expect it to be.

Indentured servitude/slavery is still quite alive and common in Dubai and other parts of the Arabian Caliphate.

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« Reply #6 on: <01-08-15/0427:33> »
Even today slavery in the sex trade is a thing that's happening in most countries, even civilized ones. It's not legal of course, but police is usually powerless against it, because they got no proof, the enemy is too well organised etc. And most people don't want to see it.

So, I'd say that in the Sixth World, this is happening still, just on a larger scale and even less hidden. I'd guess most people "working" in the bunraku parlors aren't actually their of their own free will.

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« Reply #7 on: <01-08-15/0447:43> »
Sex slavery is different. That's an illegal practice. What I assume Headhunter was asking is where is slavery legal and otherwise legitimate?

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« Reply #8 on: <01-08-15/0704:14> »
I would believe that slavery as per the UN charta is still illegal in most places. You would practically have to turn your back on the UN, which especially poorer nations might not be able to afford, although some do exist as mentioned. But common slavery isn't unheard of today, just look towards Mauretania and several other places in Africa and SE Asia. There are always ways around laws and in some societies laws might even be changed, so that they only resemble the spirit of the UN charta superficially, while in fact allow for slavery proper. Look at Saudi Arabia and other countries on the Arabian peninsula. Indonesian women immigrate as migrant workers, have their passports taken from them by their employers and are paid almost nothing, get raped quite often and if they're killed, no-one cares.
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« Reply #9 on: <01-08-15/1509:48> »
Sex slavery is different. That's an illegal practice. What I assume Headhunter was asking is where is slavery legal and otherwise legitimate?
well, he did say "legal or at least very active". And sex slavery is probably one of the main branches of slavery in the Sixth world and I'm sure is very active almost everywhere around the world.

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« Reply #10 on: <01-08-15/1634:16> »
I would believe that slavery as per the UN charta is still illegal in most places.
No one really gives a shit about the UN in Shadowrun, especially poorer nations. It's a tool of the Corporate Court used mainly by industrialized nations to fuck with each other.

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« Reply #11 on: <01-08-15/1950:05> »
I would believe that slavery as per the UN charta is still illegal in most places.
No one really gives a shit about the UN in Shadowrun, especially poorer nations. It's a tool of the Corporate Court used mainly by industrialized nations to fuck with each other.

Besides, doesn't the UN have practically no power? It's subject to the Corporate Court anyway, which can choose to listen or ignore it at-will.

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« Reply #12 on: <01-08-15/1955:53> »
I would believe that slavery as per the UN charta is still illegal in most places.
No one really gives a shit about the UN in Shadowrun, especially poorer nations. It's a tool of the Corporate Court used mainly by industrialized nations to fuck with each other.


Silly UN, thinking you were relevant.

While the world of SR is different from today, some level of morale and ethic social conscious is unchanged from now. Out and out slavery, as in "Go out into the countryside and kidnap people, take then to the next country over and sell them in the public square" doesn't really happen in any place with a credible, functional government. But, that still leaves a lot of "hell hole"/"grey" countries in the SR world. And remember, it's not slavery if you agree to it :P (IE: wage slaves, indentured labour -usually for food and board, or other corporate endorsed slave-like practices.)

How many countries are there in SR? Hmmm that's a really good question considering that the world can not agree on how many countries there are now.....
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« Reply #13 on: <01-08-15/2027:36> »
I think the most useful answer is, Publicly and openly? Very few places. Outside of the public conscious? just about everywhere.
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« Reply #14 on: <01-09-15/0643:50> »
I would believe that slavery as per the UN charta is still illegal in most places.
No one really gives a shit about the UN in Shadowrun, especially poorer nations. It's a tool of the Corporate Court used mainly by industrialized nations to fuck with each other.
Which is basically saying "they make poorer nations care, whenever they want to". Which is not far from today and thus will be used frequently. Corporations care a lot about rules, because they can make them apply to others. And they care a lot about the whole philantropy and humanitarian issues, because they need to and want appear as a credible alternative to nation states and the future for a better humanity(tm). And in all honesty, the corporate elite will be believing that they are the epitome of humanity and paragons of virtue. Elites have a way to do that. So they will enforce the UN-charta frequently, when they think it's time again to smack some "corrupt emerging economy" for the greater good.
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