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Overlooked "Must have" gear to survive in 2070

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« Reply #30 on: <03-26-15/1113:32> »
Still, it's always nice to have a GMC Bulldog on standby. Just in case.

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« Reply #31 on: <03-27-15/0331:46> »
Resources E... Just when I needed another excuse to not go 5E.

Entertainment Systems Monocycle, one of my fav starter transports.
Here`s something I didnt see, or maybe glossed over, Nanofixx. For when you dont have time to go to the tailor or explain where the bullet holes/singed fabric came from.
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« Reply #32 on: <03-27-15/1049:28> »
There is always the bicycles or skateboards out of Run Faster. Still not a car, but more stylish than that damn moped (Dodge Scoot is current version).
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #33 on: <03-27-15/1314:50> »
In 4th I had a anti-tech Druid that used Levitate to get around but 4th edition levitate let you move what you are levitating at force x net hits meters per turn so you could move at a fairly good clip if you get enough hits.   8)

Unfortunately you move a lot slower in 5th edition.

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« Reply #34 on: <03-27-15/1514:00> »
Make a custom version that uses the old movement rate at the cost of higher drain.

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« Reply #35 on: <03-27-15/2233:03> »
Or use the old version of the spell, drain`s a real killer. The heat from being a flying a sorcerer in downtown anywhere alone is a pretty decent deterent to not rely on the ability.

Why not just pull a yu-yu hakisho and boost your cycling ability to let you go 60 on a bike... Up hill.
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« Reply #36 on: <03-29-15/1601:52> »
A vehicle.  Seriously - everyone should have their own reliable transport.  Even if that's just a damn Dodge Papoose (or whatever the low-rent moped is called now), or perhaps a pair of bitchin' skates and a magnipoon (along with the relevant mad skills).  Too many times I've seen the mage or the sammie come to the table for their first or second game sans transport.
^^ Agreed.
My current character has the Scoot, which is bad but an MA at Resources-E just isn't going to be able to afford much.  I relied on real SIN for a while.
Our current group has 2 Scorpions, a Scoot, & a Scorpion/Growler IIRC so whenever someone has joined later the one thing I say is "Buy a bigger vehicle, so we can all ride together".  So far all 3 Riggers have all been 1 shot guests, but the Mage that joined has a truck/Gopher so we can squeeze in a couple if needed..

A vehicle is a really want to have but as long as someone in the party has enough transport to handle the group it isn't a big deal.  If your character concept ends up with resources E then buying a transport just isn't realistic. 
Growler or Scoot are workable, provided you have Karma for Cash built in & don't mind going SIN-3.
Wageslaves can ride the bus, they are on a schedule.  Hard on a runner to pull that off.


Interestingly, I think your Levitate idea would work in 5E when combined with Air Spirit w/ Movement ability.
By my rough math a Force-7 Spell & Force-6 Spirit would having you flying along at 30MPH.  Not bad really.

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« Reply #37 on: <03-30-15/0812:51> »
Characters fresh out of chargen aren't finished products.  They should be functional characters, but that doesn't mean they're going to have every "must have" item on their shopping lists.  If you go with Resources E, you're broke and in desperate need of some wheels (just like being 16 again).  You get some odd jobs and save up for a car (again, just like being 16 again).  It's important to have some sense as to how your character will progress once play starts and picking up those last few essentials can certainly be part of that.
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« Reply #38 on: <03-30-15/0907:28> »
I'm sorry, but characters 'fresh out of chargen' are SUPPOSED to be essentially finished products.  They are functional characters, and are meant to be ready to rock and roll with whatever they've got, where-ever they're hired to do it.  Do they have everything on their shopping lists?  No.  Do they have the basics covered?  Well, they'd better - the basics being 'transport, attack, defense, evasion, communication'.  If you go with Resources E, yes, you're broke - but that does not mean you should fail at one of these things.  You can get transportation, whether that's a crap vehicle or a pair of roller skates or (honestly) a monthly bus pass, though I sure don't recommend the latter for a shadowrunner.  You can get 'crap everything' for 6,000 - a crappy gun, a used armored jacket, a shitty motorcycle, a prepaid commlink, and a level 1 Fake SIN.  The last one is going to cost them the most.
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« Reply #39 on: <03-30-15/0920:36> »
You can get 'crap everything' for 6,000 - a crappy gun, a used armored jacket, a shitty motorcycle, a prepaid commlink, and a level 1 Fake SIN.  The last one is going to cost them the most.
Least expensive firearm: Streetline Special, 120¥
Least expensive ammo: Regular rounds, 2¥ per round
Least expensive armor: Armored Clothing, 450¥
Least expensive commlink: Meta Link, 100¥ (arguably, the burner link described in Run Faster is only 20¥ but we've no rules on how that actually works)
Least expensive vehicle: Dodge Scoot, 3000¥
Least expensive SIN: Rating 1, 2500¥
Least expensive lifestyle: Street, 0¥

Total cash needed: 6170¥ (6090¥ if using the burner link, and plus however many rounds you buy for your gun).

I don't know about y'all, but if I'm homeless I would seriously consider selling my moped if it meant a roof over my head and the occasional shower. I would put a low lifestyle (2000¥) FAR above transportation; we have actual, honest to god costs for public transportation. Is it an ideal situation for a runner? No. Is it better to have a semblance of cleanliness when you're looking for jobs instead of a scooter? In my opinion, yes.

TL;DR
Transportation is in my opinion a nice to have. The bus will do just fine until you can either a) arrange for team transportation, or b) buy your own wheels.
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« Reply #40 on: <03-30-15/1001:29> »
Or you go used, but yes, that's what you're looking at.
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« Reply #41 on: <03-30-15/1421:01> »
If I remember right the bicycle is ¥100 for the cheep one or around ¥20 for the skateboard. Again, not as good as actual vehicle but might look better than public transportation.
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #42 on: <03-30-15/1519:31> »
Not sure about the worst of everything, this was my starting list.

Squatter Lifestyle   $500
Ingram Smartgun  w/   $800
Laser Sight   $125
Spare Clip   $5
Ammo-APDS *10  (10/10)   $120
Ammo-Gel *10  (10/10)   $25
Clothing  x5  (4+Bag)   $100
Armor Jacket   $1,000
Meta Link +    $100
Microtransceiver   $100
Standard Cred Stick   $5
Reagents  *6  (6/6)   $120
Messerschmidt-Kawasaki Chi   $3,000

Biggest issue I had is no Fake SIN but I had the SINner Quality as a UCAS born citizen.
Is it a great list?  No,  but it got me through my first run.

Of course most archtypes should be able to turn some Karma for Cash & not have to start out at the bare bottom $6,000.

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« Reply #43 on: <03-30-15/1715:49> »
Sorry, but IMO a fake SIN is much more important than a vehicle even (or especially) if you have the SINner quality.

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« Reply #44 on: <03-30-15/1820:52> »
Can't say I disagree with you.
But given a Fake SIN-1 will get blown the first time you use it for anything more than bubblegum, I figured Transport is more useful in the short term & then picked up a much better Fake after a couple runs.