[Leevizer]

Sorry about the clickbait subject. A friend of mine wanted to get into Shadowrun and made a socially-and-physically awkward Troll Decker. When we had about 12K nuyen left, we started thinking if there's some cheap 'ware to put in him, like reaction enhancers or something, but then we saw this.

Implanted cyberdeck, capacity cost 4, 5K nuyen
Obvious cyberhand/foot, capacity 4, 5K nuyen

So what this means that he has a literal palmtop computer. Easily concealable with a glove and with DNI/Cybereyes/Glasses, not seeing the screen isn't an issue. It has an universal data connector as per the Cyberdeck description, which makes direct connectivity sneakier. The cyberlimb can be concealed with nothing but a glove, and even if the cyberhand is visible, it is just that. A cyberhand. And hacking devices and infiltrating slaved devices via wires? For example a door lock which you only need to place a hand on, or lean against the wall next to the lock, hand behind your back, sneakily inserting your fingertip with it's hidden data connector into the port. Or if you're lucky (or crazy) enough, you can hack someone's cyberlimb by grabbing it, hopefully before combat occurs.

+"Stealth-hacking" wired devices. A door lock that has a direct port? Just lean against the wall with your hand behind your back. Obviously this can be done with other stuff, but I like the idea and aesthetics.

I can't really think of disadvantages, other than for the fact he isn't much of an AR hacker due to his low initiative, which means he won't get more than one or sometimes two IP unless using Cram. But is this thing amazing or am I just gushing about something everyone else realized already?

tl;dr: Obvious cyberhand and implanted cyberdeck

[Medicineman]

Implanted cyberdeck, capacity cost 4, 5K nuyen

PLUS cost for the Deck
the 5000 are just the Implantation Cost or the "Cybercase/frame " for the Deck
The cost for the Deck is seperate
and a Cyberdeck is the size of a Tablet.
it might fit (barely) into a TrollCyberhand but (ImO) never in the Hand of a Human, Elf,Ork or Dwarf
even if you remove the Frame of the deck and insert just the pieces

Or if you're lucky (or crazy) enough, you can hack someone's cyberlimb by grabbing it, hopefully before combat occurs.

but only if the Victim keeps his Cyberarm's WiFi open (and I pity the Fool who is so stupid  )
and You don't need to grab him open WiFi is all You need


with a fitting Dance
Medicineman

[Top Dog]

I assumed he's paying for the deck already; he said it was a decker.

Cyberdecks fit into a hand, Medicineman. When seeing if something fits, you look at capacity. A hand has enough capacity, therefore it fits. They're folding up the motherboard or w/e.

But anyway, what does this do that a directly implanted deck doesn't? You control it through the DNI so the screen doesn't matter indeed. You do, oddly enough, save 0.15 essence (a cyberhand is less then a directly implanted cyberdeck) but you pay 5k more, and an obvious hand, while you can try to hide it with a glove, can still be spotted even then if someone looks. Both give the same amount of cable - if the hand-implanted still gets one, so should the implanted one, since it's the exact same cyberware (just installed somewhere else).

For that matter, what does this do that a datajack doesn't? You can still control it through DNI, and it'll be much cheaper and easier on the essence then the cyberhand solution. And gives noise reduction! Besides, your finger probably doesn't become the data connector - you simply have a port in your hand that you can stick a wire into (and that's not really much better then running it to somewhere else).

[Medicineman]

Cyberdecks fit into a hand, Medicineman. When seeing if something fits, you look at capacity. A hand has enough capacity, therefore it fits. They're folding up the motherboard or w/e.

even if it matches the slots needed, my common Sense and my Sense of Disbelief both Rebel if someone tries to cram the inner parts of a Tablet into a cyberhand.
Sorry, but my Sense for Reality cries Havoc then  !
( a Trollhand may be the Minimum for a the inner parts of a Tablet though)

Hough!
Medicineman

[Herr Brackhaus]

Medicineman
Why? The biggest part of a tablet is arguably the screen, which you no longer need. The internal components of a tablet really aren't all that big in terms of volume, and if you look at how thin tablets are these days compared to how thick a normal humans hand I don't see much issue in layering your palm five or more times and easily reach the same surface area as half the thickness of a tablet (since you're taking away the screen).

You're obviously in the right to houserule this, but by the rules you can put a cyberdeck in a cyberhand. End of discussion as far as the rules are concerned.

[Medicineman]

Why?

maybe because If seen to Many Cyberhands in Movies (Terminator 1 & 2 f.E. )
and there is so small aplace in a Hand.
The inner parts of a Comlink (which is for me not bigger than a Blue tooth Ear Piece) ok, but there is to much Hardware in a Cyberdeck (even one without the  Screen) and there is so small a place left in a Cyberhand...

ou're obviously in the right to houserule this, but by the rules you can put a cyberdeck in a cyberhand.

its not so much the Rules its teh (my ) common Sense !

End of discussion

Yes

Hough!
Medicineman

[Top Dog]

Cyberdecks fit into a hand, Medicineman. When seeing if something fits, you look at capacity. A hand has enough capacity, therefore it fits. They're folding up the motherboard or w/e.

even if it matches the slots needed, my common Sense and my Sense of Disbelief both Rebel if someone tries to cram the inner parts of a Tablet into a cyberhand.
Sorry, but my Sense for Reality cries Havoc then  !
( a Trollhand may be the Minimum for a the inner parts of a Tablet though)

Hough!
Medicineman

You van also cram it inside a brain for .4 essence and that somehow fits the tablet too. Your sense of reality will have to cope.

[Reaver]

Samsung has just recently starting making the Galaxy s6 chipsets... they measure 19 NANOmeters in size... and pack roughly 1.2 million resistors in that size.

Solid state devices function on the near molicular level....

I see no problem with fitting a cyberdeck in a hand.


Heck, if its all DNI controlled, it probably fits into a finger!

The biggest problem people usually have is they look at a tablet or their home computer that think *that* is the size it needs to be. But it really doesn't. Size nowadays is a function of useability. Your cellphone could be reduced to the size of a coin, but that would make it hard to hear and talk into Not to mention dialing on the microscopic buttons

[Medicineman]

You van also cram it inside a brain for .4 essence and that somehow fits the tablet too.

a cranial Cyberdeck.....
I always thought , that the Cyberdoctors edge out or mill out part of the Skull and imbed the Parts of the Cyberdeck in those cavities, than they Install a Plug to access the Cyberdeck parts from the outside put on a layer of ....medical Plasteel to protect the parts than they glue on the Skalp and done they are.
somehow a bit like this here
http://www.subspacecommunique.com/sites/default/files/1110-general/datas-head.jpg

in/on a Skull is wahay more space and surface to untegrate the parts of a Cyberdeck than in the small inner area of a Hand

 

Your sense of reality will have to cope.

he is coping each and every Day
but not in this case

HokaHey
Medicineman

[Malevolence]

I don't see a problem with it either - with serious modification. You aren't going to be taking the deck out and handing it to your buddy to use because it is so heavily modified as to be unusable outside of its implanted state. But you remove the screen, the battery, use the metallic components of the hand as the antenna (or wire the antenna through and around them), etc and all you are left with is storage (a virtually unlimited amount fits in an RFID tag smaller than your pinky nail) and the processor (probably the size of a postage stamp) to actually place in the hand. Commlinks (and presumably decks) have speakers and cameras and GPS and all sorts of other sensors and peripherals that would have to be ommitted from an implanted deck as they would be about as useless as a display screen. That said, sensors like GPS, altimeter, accelerometer, etc could still be useful but they are also small enough (even today) to easily be distributed around the hand. Heck, the entire deck could probably fit in a space the size of a matchbox once you remove the batteries, antenna, screen, ports and readers, etc.

[Leevizer]

I assumed he's paying for the deck already; he said it was a decker.

Cyberdecks fit into a hand, Medicineman. When seeing if something fits, you look at capacity. A hand has enough capacity, therefore it fits. They're folding up the motherboard or w/e.

But anyway, what does this do that a directly implanted deck doesn't? You control it through the DNI so the screen doesn't matter indeed. You do, oddly enough, save 0.15 essence (a cyberhand is less then a directly implanted cyberdeck) but you pay 5k more, and an obvious hand, while you can try to hide it with a glove, can still be spotted even then if someone looks. Both give the same amount of cable - if the hand-implanted still gets one, so should the implanted one, since it's the exact same cyberware (just installed somewhere else).

For that matter, what does this do that a datajack doesn't? You can still control it through DNI, and it'll be much cheaper and easier on the essence then the cyberhand solution. And gives noise reduction! Besides, your finger probably doesn't become the data connector - you simply have a port in your hand that you can stick a wire into (and that's not really much better then running it to somewhere else).

Yeah, we had bought a deck and a commlink already.

And I don't understand this "doesn't compute with my realism" thing. It's allowed by RAW, and we're talking sixty years into the future, where everything can be miniaturized and technology is way past what we can even believe. I found the explanations from you others pretty plausible. Otherwise the components could be in the fingers and such, with flexible wiring connecting them to the central motherboard in the palm.

What advantages does it offer? First off, personally, and I think this is a very minor point, but I find directly implanted stuff kinda gross. It is true that mechanically they are pretty same, except for the limitation that you can only implant it directly into your head if you do not have a cyberlimb, as it is headware.

And it is true that there is no noice reduction, but as the cyberdeck is built into your hand, I'd you can decide where the access port and the spool of cable is. Who's not to say you don't have a flip-up artificial fingernail which reveals the data connector?

[Reaver]

Now, question:

If he does get it installed into his hand, and then the deck gets bricked.... does that mean his hand is bricked?

Or on fire?

(as I recall, a bricked item "Pops, fizzes, and smokes when bricked)

[ScytheKnight]

The electronics of the deck are bricked, but the control servos of the hand itself are a separate system.

[Top Dog]

What advantages does it offer? First off, personally, and I think this is a very minor point, but I find directly implanted stuff kinda gross. It is true that mechanically they are pretty same, except for the limitation that you can only implant it directly into your head if you do not have a cyberlimb, as it is headware.

And it is true that there is no noice reduction, but as the cyberdeck is built into your hand, I'd you can decide where the access port and the spool of cable is. Who's not to say you don't have a flip-up artificial fingernail which reveals the data connector?

Isn't a Cyberhand directly implanted as well? Also, having your character do/have something that you, personally, find kinda gross can be a fun roleplaying challenge. But eh, it's a reason I guess, and ultimately it doesn't matter - if you want to pay extra for the hand, fine (plus it has it's own potential side perks).

You could probably decide where the connector is, I'm just saying it probably still needs a cable. But it can help occasionally to be stealthier I guess. Also, by the way, you can still get the datajack for the noise reduction with an implanted commlink (cyberhand or no) - it's still a good deal (you don't really get a datajack for the DNI anyway, there's cheaper ways to get that - you get it for the noise).

[Novocrane]

The electronics of the deck are bricked, but the control servos of the hand itself are a separate system.

I'm not a fan of the way that applies to smartgun systems & firearms, etc, and would rather have a standard rule.