[Csjarrat]

Priorities:

A- Attributes (12)
B- Metasapient (2)
C- Depth 3 (1 R2 matrix skill)
D- Skills (22/0)
E- Resources (6k)
Not a massive fan of the attributes table. feels really limiting. Even with attribs at priority A, the attribs table still feels pretty sparse!!
Depth is a dual edged sword for my concept. Needed it at 3 as most device ratings of drones are 3, so the AI only takes up one program slot.
resources weren't necessary, just needed enough to buy and pimp his drone chassis but feel like i'm hurting for skills quite a bit. Would like to see how other people build their concepts, especially for expensive flashy cyberdeck builds.

Attribs:
WIL 4 (+3)
LOG 5 (+4)    12/12
INT 4 (+3)
CHA 3 (+2)

DEP 3
EDG 3 (+2)
ESS 6
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Qualities + Karma Use:
(free) Codeslinger (HOTF)
(free) Photographic Memory
(free) Speed Reading
(free) Real world naivete
+25 Starting
-08 buy off Naivete
-10 x2 advanced programs
-10 gear (20k)
-05 Ninja Vanish (Edge to remove marks; Free action.)
-06 Designer (+1 pilot, +2NR)
-08 Pilot origins (Air)
-03 Data anomaly (+2 resist matrix perception)
+06 Persnickety Renter (Drones)
+15 Pacifist
+03 Biased; Technomancers
+01 (2) Driven (Resonance rifts)
Net +0
Gives a good batch of bonuses and themed negatives. He's a pilot program at heart so prefers living in drones, he's fascinated by the resonance realms and will do anything he can to find out more about them and is deeply jealous of technomancers for their links to sprites and resonance abilities. He gets the benefits of a rig, is harder to spot and gets a get out of jail free card when spotted by nasty things he doesn't want to fight.
Combos well with his advanced program which gives -3(depth) to perception tests against him.
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Skills:
Pilot Air 6
Perception 6          22/22 not a huge amount of points to play with, focussed on the important stuff
Software 2 (free)
Computer 4
Hacking 6

Karma:
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Gear: 26k
so this drone is going to be his home, it can run cyberprograms and autosofts as per drone rules and is super small and easily stealthed into/out of facilities.
Gives a good base for an overwatcher, being able to tail targets and beam sensor data to team and can do light hacking thanks to cyberprogram capabilities.
MCT Fly-Spy Drone 2000                                  14,700
 -Chameleon Coating 2000
 -Evasion R6 3000       Buying skills here rather than use up my low skill pool allocation. Gain infiltration and Ewar for snooping/jamming
 -Stealth R6 3000
 -EWar R6 3000
 -Induction Receiver 1700 (module + 2 parts)
 -Trid Projector 200
allows me to fly up and land on a camera and make a direct connection rather than attacking a host's defences head on
Am in two minds as to whether to swap the induction receiver mod out for a sleaze attribute mod, as with the stealth program, I'd have S2 as a base to work from but wouldn't be able to make direct connections.

Hand 5(+1)/Speed 3/Accel 3(+1)/Bod 1/ARM 0/Pilot 5(+quality, +1)/Sens 4 (+1)/
DP 5//FW 5//S 0//A 0
DP/FW go off pilot iirc, which is boosted to 5 due to qualites and optimisation. Sleaze and attack can be gained by cyberprogram use.
Pilot 5 allows for 3 program slots, 1 taken by AI and boosted back up to three with virtual machine. Can load Stealth and Exploit to be passable in HOTF, especially since he can land on a cable bundle/lock/camera and bypass host defences with the induction receiver.

Sensor Suite:                                            4,025
Camera: Image Mag 250//Image Enhance 500//Flare Comp 250//   
Camera: Thermo 500//Low Light 500//Image Link 25             
Olfactory
Laser Mic: //SSF R1 250
Directional Mic: //SSF R1 250
Omni Mic: //Audio Enhance R1 500//Spatial Recogniser 1000   
Ultrasound
Motion sensor
Allows him to be able to see and hear really well as well as smell. Can use stealth and mobility to hear conversations he probably shouldn't thanks to the laser mic and directional mic.
Sensor bonuses, rig quality and enhancements give fairly high limit for perception tests

Optimised Home Node: (Low Lifestyle; Drone DR3) 2000
+1 Autosoft Limit
+1 Handling
+1 Accel
+1 Sensor
+1 Pilot
20,725 spent
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Software:                                       320
Legal: 80/program
Virtual Machine (+1 program)
Encryption (+1FW)
Signal Scrub (+2NR)
Toolbox (+1DP)


Hacking: 250/program                           2250
Baby Monitor (Know OS)
Decryption (+1 Attack)
Sneak (+2 def vs trace user)
Wrapper (change icons)
Stealth (+1 Sleaze)
Exploit (+2 Sleaze for HoTF)
PaintJob (+2 attack for Erase Mark)
 

Advanced Programs: 10 karma
Rootkit (-{depth} Matrix perception vs AI)
Authority (+{depth} to Spoof Command actions)

22,795 spent
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ID + Misc:

Fake SiN R1 2500 I know, not great, but its enough to secure a squat or buy something cheap online i guess

Squatter Lifestyle (1 month) 550
 //Comforts 1//Security 2 (+1)//Neighbourhood 1//
 -Grid subscription 50 Somewhere to lay low and recharge batteries. Really recharge the batteries!

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Contacts: 9pts
Fixer 2,1
Rigger 2,4 Obligatory fixer for jobs, rigger is a buddy who set up the drone he inhabits and repairs him when damaged
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Knowledge skills = 18pts
English N
Spanish 2
Japanese 2
Chinese 2        18/18
Matrix Phenomena 3
Resonance Realms 3
Aircraft Design 3
Matrix security 3

[JackVII]

Couple of comments. By no means do I have a firm understanding of AI stuff, just things I recall seeing in the book.

1) Metasapient LOG starts at 2, so you could have it at a 6 if you want with what you invested. I would consider dumping Charisma to 2 or even 1 and buying it up if you can find the karma.

2) There's some question on programs and advanced programs. The part on pg. 157-158 (the second paragraph of the section) seems to imply that an AI won't buy regular programs period. They have to create them. If that's the case, you have to spend karma to get regular programs (which would presumably include autosoft as well).

3) Optimization only provides a boost to one attribute at a time, from the way I am reading it, but you can switch them with a free action. Although note that Optimization also increases the Program limit of a device by 1, so that's good.

[Csjarrat]

Couple of comments. By no means do I have a firm understanding of AI stuff, just things I recall seeing in the book.

1) Metasapient LOG starts at 2, so you could have it at a 6 if you want with what you invested. I would consider dumping Charisma to 2 or even 1 and buying it up if you can find the karma.

2) There's some question on programs and advanced programs. The part on pg. 157-158 (the second paragraph of the section) seems to imply that an AI won't buy regular programs period. They have to create them. If that's the case, you have to spend karma to get regular programs (which would presumably include autosoft as well).

3) Optimization only provides a boost to one attribute at a time, from the way I am reading it, but you can switch them with a free action. Although note that Optimization also increases the Program limit of a device by 1, so that's good.

1) cool, done. didn't take any social skills anyway, not that you particularly need them as a microdrone.
2) I'm not convinced mate though its not overly clear.
Early part states:
"AIs don’t create new technology or programs out of
nothing; instead, they utilize what already exists in a
more efficient manner. In the case of programs, they
are able to optimize and re-write existing software"
So they're ok with using existing stuff.
The latter part of the paragraph you refer to seems to be totally referring to advanced programs so i think the basic/hacking programs are absolutely fine.
Its more talking that they wouldn't purchase an advanced program off the market imo and would never attempt to register said advanced programs with GOD.
I may be wrong as its not clear, but that seems to be my interpretation of it, given it makes an analogy with technomancers and their complex forms

[JackVII]

The latter part of the paragraph you refer to seems to be totally referring to advanced programs so i think the basic/hacking programs are absolutely fine.
Its more talking that they wouldn't purchase an advanced program off the market imo and would never attempt to register said advanced programs with GOD.

Oh, I don't like my interpretation at all, but the end of the paragraph provides karma costs for creating both normal Programs and Advanced Programs, so I feel like that was the intent. Alternately, maybe an AI can only use an Advanced Program on top of a Program it created. I don't think there's enough information to determine that intent.

What I'd like to think it means is:
- You normally buy a program for a device and it stays with that device. No buying one Clearsight autosoft and copying it across all of your drones for cheap (that's what RCC sharing is for).
- An AI, however, can create programs through a software test and buying karma. Those programs follow it regardless of what device it inhabits.

That way, you could still buy programs for your drones and devices and have them loaded on there, but the AI would also carry around whatever programs it has spent karma on and be able to load them in whatever applicable device in which it finds itself, assuming there are open program slots. Hopefully Kincaid or Jackiepaper will see this and may be able to provide input.

ETA: It's even more confusing with the part from the Pilot Origins PQ that states: "The AI is also capable of loading, converting, and using drone autosofts (AI-driven drones use the attributes, skills, and Matrix Initiative of the AI). So even if my interpretation is correct, Pilot Origin would seem to allow buying/using autosofts rather than having to spend karma on them.

[Csjarrat]

That way, you could still buy programs for your drones and devices and have them loaded on there, but the AI would also carry around whatever programs it has spent karma on and be able to load them in whatever applicable device in which it finds itself, assuming there are open program slots. Hopefully Kincaid or Jackiepaper will see this and may be able to provide input.

Yeah, thats the way i think it works. If its karma bought, its kinda innate and travels with the AI out of the drone body.
All the programs I've bought run on the drone and the AI can utilise them, but would lose access to them if it stepped out of the drone body.
By the looks of it, if you wanted an "innate" advanced program it would cost 13karma as you'd first need the base program before you write an advanced one over the top of it.
Seems pretty pricey given the penalties attached with increased overwatch score and limited bonuses of many of the programs

[Herr Brackhaus]

You get all of the optimization bonuses when rigging as an AI? I thought it was only one of them; if I'm wrong, that's awesome.

[Csjarrat]

You get all of the optimization bonuses when rigging as an AI? I thought it was only one of them; if I'm wrong, that's awesome.

No, i misread it, its only one!

MKII
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Priorities:

A- Attributes (12)
B- Metasapient (2)
C- Depth 3 (1 R2 matrix skill)
D- Skills (22/0)
E- Resources (6k)


Attribs:
WIL 4 (+3)
LOG 7 (+5)    12/12
INT 4 (+3)
CHA 2 (+1)

DEP 3
EDG 3 (+2)
ESS 6
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Qualities + Karma Use:
(free) Codeslinger (HOTF)
(free) Photographic Memory
(free) Speed Reading
(free) Real world naivete
+25 Starting
-08 buy off Naivete
-10 x2 advanced programs
-10 gear (20k)
-05 Ninja Vanish (Edge to remove marks)
-06 Designer (+1 pilot, +2NR)
-08 Pilot origins (Air)
-03 Data anomaly (+2 resist matrix perception)
+06 Persnickety Renter (Drones)
+15 Pacifist
+03 Biased; Technomancers
+01 (2) Driven (Resonance rifts)
Net +0

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Skills:
Pilot Air 6
Perception 6          22/22
Software 2 (free)
Computer 4
Hacking 6

Karma:
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Gear: 26k
MCT Fly-Spy Drone 2000                                  14,700
 -Chameleon Coating 2000
 -Evasion R6 3000
 -Stealth R6 3000
 -EWar R6 3000
 -Induction Receiver 1700 (module + 2 parts)
 -Trid Projector 200

Hand 4/Speed 3/Accel 3/Bod 1/ARM 0/Pilot 5(+quality, +1)/Sens 3/
DP 5//FW 5//S 0//A 0

Sensor Suite:                                            4,025
Camera: Image Mag 250//Image Enhance 500//Flare Comp 250//   
Camera: Thermo 500//Low Light 500//Image Link 25             
Olfactory
Laser Mic: //SSF R1 250
Directional Mic: //SSF R1 250
Omni Mic: //Audio Enhance R1 500//Spatial Recogniser 1000   
Ultrasound
Motion sensor

Optimised Home Node: (Low Lifestyle; Drone DR3) 2000
+1 Autosoft Limit
+1 Pilot
20,725 spent
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Software:                                       320
Legal: 80/program
Virtual Machine (+1 program)
Encryption (+1FW)
Signal Scrub (+2NR)
Toolbox (+1DP)


Hacking: 250/program                           2250
Baby Monitor (Know OS)
Decryption (+1 Attack)
Sneak (+2 def vs trace user)
Wrapper (change icons)
Stealth (+1 Sleaze)
Exploit (+2 Sleaze for HoTF)
PaintJob (+2 attack for Erase Mark)
 

Advanced Programs: 10 karma
Rootkit (-{depth} Matrix perception vs AI)
Authority (+{depth} to Spoof Command actions)

22,795 spent
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ID + Misc:

Fake SiN R1 2500

Squatter Lifestyle (1 month) 550
 //Comforts 1//Security 2 (+1)//Neighbourhood 1//
 -Grid subscription 50

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Contacts: 9pts
Fixer 2,1
Rigger 2,4
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Knowledge skills = 18pts
English N
Spanish 2
Japanese 2
Chinese 2        18/18
Matrix Phenomena 3
Resonance Realms 3
Aircraft Design 3
Matrix security 3

[JackVII]

Logic would be 7 with that build. Metasapients are a 2/7 LOG.

Advanced Programs are 8 karma each, so you need to find 6 more karma to afford two (or just wait to get the Advanced Programs post Chargen, dump your CHA to 1, use Karma to buy it to 2, drop your LOG to 6, and raise your WIL and INT to 5 each). You're going to need pretty high stats to defend against Matrix attacks.

[Csjarrat]

good catches, thanks!

[Herr Brackhaus]

Just a thought, have you tried creating this character with Karma? I wonder if AI, like Technomancers, lend themselves well to Karma based builds instead of Priority.

[Csjarrat]

No i haven't, I hate karma building without chummer 5. such a lot of faffing about!
Started out as a learning exercise but think i'd quite like to play a char like this now

[fseperent]

Haven't touched Data Trails, or much of RS5, so take my advice with a ton of salt.
For an AI, I'd be inclined to say use Karmagen or Sum2ten.

But for AIs, attributes and skills reign over all.
Don't know if SR5 has it, but if it does, get a Software Programming Suite to help with making your own programs.

[Marcus]

Interesting, I read through the AI sections but have yet to generate one, it interesting to see some new variety.

[fseperent]

Yeah, it is rather interesting how AI character development goes.
The AI I posted started as a ninja hacker, but somehow ended up being as proficient at social engineering, if not more so.
Had to put the high CHA to good use, right?
Looking at it, probably spending 411 karma for skills, was probably too much.

[Csjarrat]

Yeah, I went this route because I wanted the ai to have some independent mobility and a microdrone seemed the best way of getting him that. The mod to get direct connections is gonna be damn handy too