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psycho835

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« Reply #15 on: <07-27-15/1013:40> »
Here's updated stats:
Accuracy: 6
Reach: 1
DV: (STR+3)P
AP: -4
Availability: 11R
Cost: 1000Y
NOTE: Can be wielded in either one (stats before slash) or two hands (stats after slash). When wielded in both hands, it is compatible with Kunst des Fechten.

The availability is a little harsher than katana because, well, katana is a horrible cliche that everyone tries to get their hands on the best selling sword in the sixth world, and therefore ubiquitous.

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« Reply #16 on: <07-27-15/1213:38> »
I know :)

Oh I found two interesting You tube Videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb2Cvd_amEc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWWpzXOuk_s

that I can totally Agree with

HokaHey
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But again... he didn't even make the distinction between Bastard Swords and Hand and a Half Swords. I agree that D&D is very wrong about melee weapons (Great Swords weighing in at 15 lbs when even the giant German Two Handers or Scottish Claymores were not even 7 lbs.) But Bastard Swords are still very light and can be used in place of a Longsword (Game term for an Arming Sword)... Hand and a Half Swords were Calvary swords not infantry, infantry would use them but not be choice. It was all they could get since they couldn't afford to buy a Bastard Sword or an Arming Sword. Those were much better quality steel & craftsmanship. Bastard Swords stayed in use since they were good for Half-Swording... which you can't use a shield or off hand dagger while doing. You could use both hands to swing the sword before you went back to holding the blade with one hand & the hilt with the other. Which is reflected in Kunst des Fechtens having that technique, the Italians not being soldiers or having standing armies (especially not fighting the French & Swiss) never had to develop the technique seeing as they rarely fought in or against people wearing plate.

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« Reply #17 on: <07-27-15/1312:14> »
i think we're not exactly at the same Wavelength.
What I wanted to say is that in the Shadowrun Fiore Dei Liberi one of the Main Tactics is to Attack with two Swords


FIORE DEI LIBERI (TWO
WEAPON SWORD FIGHTING)

The great Italian fighter of the fourteenth century, Fiore
dei Liberi was both a mercenary and a fencing master.
Toward the end of his fighting career, he published a
martial arts manual of his various fighting techniques.
  One of the emphases with this style was that of the
sword and dagger techniques.
  His preferred weapon
was the longsword, which places this weapon style between
Kunst des Fechten and Destreza.
Available Techniques: Called Shot (Break Weapon),
Opposing Force (Parry), Riposte, Two-Weapon-Style Attack,
Two-Weapon-Style Defense
, Yielding Force (Riposte)

(and Psycho835 wanted to use a Bastard Sword singlehandedly for Shadowruns MA Fiore Dei Liberi)
and my answer that It is  Impossible to do so with a Bastard Sword in One Hand and a Long Dagger in the Other Hand, not when the Bastard Sword (as I know it) needs usually Two hands to handle properly
Using a Sword, Sabre, Rapier , even a Long Sword (if You are Strong enough ) is OK but the "Line" is the Bastard Sword
That's all I have to say about it

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« Reply #18 on: <07-27-15/2320:33> »
Do what D&D does give the same stats as katana and call it a day samurais used to two weapon katana in one and a wakizashi in the other hell theres an item pack for it and give bokken club stats but use blades skill

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« Reply #19 on: <07-31-15/0050:41> »
Heh. My group just uses the Highlander Claymore stats from Run & Gun for a bastard sword for our troll street sam.
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« Reply #20 on: <07-31-15/0952:16> »
For a troll, that's a good idea. For a human? Not so much.

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« Reply #21 on: <07-31-15/1800:35> »
Maybe for a max str augment orc or human (even less so). But generally, no the highland claymore is designed around the true two-handed weapons such as Scottish claymore, nodachi, or zweihander. I would not normally let it be used as a one handed weapon.
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #22 on: <07-31-15/2201:38> »
Maybe for a max str augment orc or human (even less so). But generally, no the highland claymore is designed around the true two-handed weapons such as Scottish claymore, nodachi, or zweihander. I would not normally let it be used as a one handed weapon.

It's not just about strength - a sword that big would be just plain awkward when wielded with one hand.

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« Reply #23 on: <08-03-15/2133:33> »
Yeah, it would be horribly ineffective in majority of the cases where someone tried this.
Quote- Mirikon on 7/30/2019 at 08:26:51
Agreed. This looks like a 'training wheels' edition, that you can use to introduce someone to the setting, and then shift over to something like 5E or 4E. Like how D&D 5E is best used as training wheels for D&D 3.X.

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« Reply #24 on: <08-13-15/0841:37> »
I got one word for ya: "Blam."
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« Reply #25 on: <08-15-15/2334:00> »
I got one word for ya: "Blam."

Heh, reminds me of a video I saw once: Some guy (in Australua?) was in the middle of a street, swinging a sword around and going on about being 'The One' and belonging to Clan Macleod. The cops tried talking him down, which didn't work, and tried pepper spray, which just made him mad. A half dozen tazers later, fired all at once, and they were putting the cuffs on him.

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« Reply #26 on: <08-15-15/2343:18> »
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« Reply #27 on: <08-16-15/0149:17> »
Harrison Ford was feeling miserable that day (Fewer and Diarrhea) so he decided to " finish the Scene earlier"
It was a good decision ImO
(that's the story behind Scene ;) )

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« Reply #28 on: <08-16-15/0203:08> »
Indeed, but it's still a great scene.  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: <08-16-15/0205:47> »
That for sure

One I remembered and WILL remember for my whole Life ;)

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