[MijRai]

We don't even know how that drone actually works.  There's a magical power box in CthulhuTech that nobody knows how it works...  That said, everyone who does magic wants one.  Turns out, it runs on living critters.  Could be the same; maybe it is like Discworld, with some angry Assensing pixies drawing stuff in their box? 

[Mirikon]

There are some viable examples of magitech, but they are low level things, for the most part. Magesight goggles, glowands, and those gloves that help you handle contact preparations are all good examples of tech supporting magic. But as for something as complex as a magitech gun? We're a long ways off.

[MijRai]

I'm pretty sure those aren't really 'technology,' Mirikon.

The Magesight Goggles are basically fiber-optics that maintain 'real' line of sight, unlike digital cameras.  You could do the same effect with an old-school mirrored periscope. 

Glowands, if those are the things that glow in the presence of magic, are just wands that hold an Awakened bio-luminescent plant that lights up when exposed to magic. 

The gloves are alchemically prepared, they don't do what they do via technology. 

None of those are what I'd consider manatech.

[Mirikon]

By the definition of technology as "the sum of the ways in which social groups provide themselves with the material objects of their civilization" (Dictionary.reference.com), a piece of obsidian sharpened to a jagged blade by chipping pieces off of it to make a crude knife is technology. Stone age technology, but technology all the same.

[Moonshine Fox]

The Lucifer Lamp. It was a fusion of both tech and magic to produce a dual-natured effect. It also follows that, as humans learned to manipulate and refine light projection abilities we started to make laser weapons that shoot harmful light, we'll be able to use the basis of the Lucifer Lamp tech to eventually make a laser style weapon capable of firing dual-natured lasers and harm beings that exist only on the astral. Probably a ways off from it being anything more then a note in an Ares researchers file.

[MijRai]

Yes, Mirikon, that is a definition of technology.  It isn't the only one.  I'm using this one for this situation:

"a manner of accomplishing a task especially using technical processes, methods, or knowledge"

In the situation of manatech, applying those 'technical processes' doesn't go so well.  Which is why the Excalibur can literally detonate an entire magazine of ammo in your hands.  Or develop so much heat the barrel or receiver warps shut from a single magazine as well.  It makes no logical sense; it still happens.  Your examples included a plant that reacts to magic in an environment in a stick, some fiber-optics and a set of magical gloves.  None of that is manatech, the integration of magic and technology into a single thing. 

Semantics aren't really helping here. 

[Wakshaani]

As for teh Excalibur, the core info up above's proper ... Manatech attempt, lead was extracted at the same time that they figured out that it just flat-out didn't work... exec over the project panics, then throws good money after bad, trying to hammer it together  as the planned release date was right around the corner and the rush job bungled it. Early releases hit Desert Wars and were disasterous (with money being spent to send 'runners in to gather dead guns that were discarded, as well as black teams to snuff teh ones who would have given it bad feedback, gobs of Matrix activity to hunt down any negative discussions and recraft them positive ... just a waterfall of money where it didn't belong.

Initial sales were good ... for about a weekend. And then the returns started and customer reviews lit up the Matrix. The jig was up, Ares advertising had wrapped the entire reputation of the corp around teh gun and it failed, BADLY. Like, Edsel bad. Like Homermobile bad. It was *so* bad that the failure cascaded acorss teh corp, to where people didn't trust the name anymore. I heard of people whose smartlink blew the gun up, how do I know my Ares commlink won't blow up in my hands? Can I trust a GM-made car to not drive me off a bridge? Etc etc etc.

There's thought that some of teh people behind it might have intended for failure ... that there were Headcses, or bug infiltrators, or even exec infighting involved to drive the spike into the ground... with teh stock dipping, Vogel or Knight or someone else could sweep in and pick up a controlling chunk. It could also have been a competitor corp using influence to slash Ares' throat. It could have been leftover Seraphim striking in teh name of Cross, or it could have been plain ol' hubris and flawed humanity.

Market Panic will probably say more, of course. Until then, feel free to speculate!

[Lysanderz]

Suddenly I have all of the ideas I need to run the creepiest campaign ever with Lucifer Lamps. Hehhehehehehehehe.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

You have no idea, until you get to the placenta-based manatech grenades with the blue-green goo-slash-ectoplasm and ...

*shudders*