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« Reply #15 on: <01-01-16/2155:13> »
And this is neither the Matrix nor the cyberdeck of 2nd and 3rd ed. Name's the same, but everything else is different.
except the terms the history lore names of corps and the points where people just directly copied the fluff from previous editions

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« Reply #16 on: <01-01-16/2231:17> »
Looking at edition progression...

SR4 completely went away from using Cyberdecks. Anyone with a standard issue Commlink could be a hacker.

Then SR5 went back to using them. And they clearly started using newer tech, since the SR1-3 Decks were huge monstrosities compared to the tablets in SR5.

And speaking of tablets and laptops... while I can see someone with a homemade briefcase sized "scratch built junk" RCC... it's a lot harder to order parts and pieces and build your own tablet or laptop. Every piece has to be precisely for that model, since the casings tend to barely fit. So building your own Fairlight Excalibur at home, is probably going to mean ordering all the bits direct from Fairlight anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: <01-01-16/2237:17> »
And this is neither the Matrix nor the cyberdeck of 2nd and 3rd ed. Name's the same, but everything else is different.
...yeah I know, just like in RL how today everything seems to be moving away from Towers and Notebooks to Tablets and Smartphones. Crikey, the latest versions of Windows look more like something designed by Fisher Price than the world's #1 software developer.

Guess fiction had to catch up to reality sometime. .

Sometimes I really miss the old "slot and jack in" days. It was a fun ride while it lasted though.  :'(
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« Reply #18 on: <01-01-16/2311:15> »
Looking at edition progression...

SR4 completely went away from using Cyberdecks. Anyone with a standard issue Commlink could be a hacker.

Then SR5 went back to using them. And they clearly started using newer tech, since the SR1-3 Decks were huge monstrosities compared to the tablets in SR5.

And speaking of tablets and laptops... while I can see someone with a homemade briefcase sized "scratch built junk" RCC... it's a lot harder to order parts and pieces and build your own tablet or laptop. Every piece has to be precisely for that model, since the casings tend to barely fit. So building your own Fairlight Excalibur at home, is probably going to mean ordering all the bits direct from Fairlight anyway.
Ya I know just like buying a vehicle and modding the heck out of it, but theres rules for that as well  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: <01-01-16/2350:54> »
And this is neither the Matrix nor the cyberdeck of 2nd and 3rd ed. Name's the same, but everything else is different.
except the terms the history lore names of corps and the points where people just directly copied the fluff from previous editions
Funny. I haven't seen MCMPs, nodes, SANs and so on in SR5. Yeah, totally the same...

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« Reply #20 on: <01-01-16/2358:41> »
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computer (n.)  1640s, "one who calculates,"
Every time someone says old school cyberdecks returned in fifth edition, I think of this.

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« Reply #21 on: <01-02-16/0658:02> »
Cyber decks DID exist in 4th edition.  They were the fabled portable nexus.

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« Reply #22 on: <01-02-16/1105:37> »
Fluff-wise custom built decks are possible, Data Trails has a couple that were not built by Mega Corps.  And every project, Mega Corp or Mom and Pop, starts with a proof of concept build or a prototype that is built from scratch.  So, it has to be possible.  It's just not mechanically spelled out how to do it.

Thus, Houserules would be needed.  There was a couple of decent starts in the "How much should a Cyberdeck cost thread?" you could look at. 

You'd also want to decide how far back in the process do you want to detail?  To use modern day analogies.  Are you ordering a motherboard and CPU from Newegg and putting the components together or are you cutting our own PCB boards and laying out the traces?  Are you designing your own chips from scratch or are you using off the shelf components? 

FYI custom Semiconductors are a thing here in real life, there are foundries that do short run custom work.  Expensive as hell though.  As in hundreds or thousands of times the costs of mass produced chips.  As much as I hate to say "Realistically" a custom built cyberdeck probably is using off the shelf components, like an PSoC or FPGA type of concept where the chips are off the shelf but configured by the builder.  And in a world where 3D printers are a thing a custom form factor wouldn't be particularly expensive.  More expensive than mass produced, but still in the realm of a few hundred Nuyen.  A decent machine shop could crank something out for you in a day or two for about the same cost if you give them the print. 

That may have gone a little far into the weeds...

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« Reply #23 on: <01-02-16/1516:14> »
Cyber decks DID exist in 4th edition.  They were the fabled portable nexus.
The tiniest & least powerful ones, perhaps. I've yet to see anyone carry a full PC tower around like a keytar, though. Nexi beyond that were hosts.

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« Reply #24 on: <01-20-16/1747:22> »
Houserule it. My GM did. Now I'm a busy little squirrel absolutely ripping apart every commlink I can find in my quest to build my own deck.

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« Reply #25 on: <01-20-16/1932:07> »
....yeah for me no RAW that covers the building of custom decks takes the enthusiasm of reworking my old decker Violet as she was one of those who loved ripping things apart and building her own stuff.

It can sort of be done to a point with the Juryrigger quality and Hardware skill.

Also miss being able to use related Knowledge skills in support of Active ones. That really worked well for a tinkerer character (or a demolitionist who made her own explosives).
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« Reply #26 on: <01-20-16/2030:00> »
And this is neither the Matrix nor the cyberdeck of 2nd and 3rd ed. Name's the same, but everything else is different.
except the terms the history lore names of corps and the points where people just directly copied the fluff from previous editions
Funny. I haven't seen MCMPs, nodes, SANs and so on in SR5. Yeah, totally the same...
Neither is masking Bod and evasion oh wait wait no firewall attack sleaze data processing pans number of active programs running at the same time thank you for your time checks in the mail

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« Reply #27 on: <01-20-16/2122:13> »
If you really think the Matrix terms of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Edition is the same as that of 4th and/or 5th, Rooks, we really have nothing more to talk about. Your last statement males no more sense than the others, so... Have a good one, mate.

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« Reply #28 on: <01-20-16/2256:30> »
It's exactly the same Don care if you think otherwise really but apparently you can comprehend basic principles anyways

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« Reply #29 on: <01-21-16/1044:51> »
It's exactly the same Don care if you think otherwise really but apparently you can comprehend basic principles anyways
Next time you try to insult someone, try harder.
very mature Herr Brackhaus sending a message then blocking me if you want a conversation on how I "insulted" you please grow up and have a conversation like a real person