[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Actually, here's the thing - a lot of what JoeNapalm ... err, sorry, CitizenJoe ... says is fairly well workable within canon.  The problem is, and always has been, exactly what he's saying he does: treats everything written, even out-of-character behind-the-scenes game-level information, as being subject to what is called the 'unreliable narrator'.  Take this for example:

The country of which Seattle is a part and of which Dunkelzahn was (for a short time) President is the United Canadian and American States, or 'UCAS'.

This, to everyone else, is game-world fact.  For Joe, it's subject to 'unreliable narrator', and could just be a grand conspiracy.  He then presents this viewpoint, without the proper addition of 'I think' or some such, to someone asking 'what's the name of the country of which Seattle is a part?'

Joe, unless people ask a question that says 'so in your game' or some variation, they want to know what the books say - what canon is.  Canon is, by definition, what the books say.  (See dictionary definitions of canon above.)  If you'd like a fantastic example of how to successfully present a wacky theory on the boards, see this post - the very first post ever on these boards by a brand-spanking-new individual.  S/He already has earned more interest and respect than you have, just for the words 'I've always believed that'.

[CitizenJoe]

Canonically, the Seattle Metroplex was formed by the Treaty of Denver as part of the USA.  They did side with and thus join the UCAS when it adopted the Canadian provinces.  So, your assertion that Seattle is currently part of UCAS is correct in the legal sense, but Seattle has its own ambassadors as well as other autonomous factors.  There is also a canonical faction trying for independence.

As for Dunk being a UCAS citizen, he may have had multiple citizenships based on hit residences, however some of those states have exclusive citizenship... so, whatever citizenship he did have, I could only confirm UCAS after the Act of Congress that let him run for President.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Don't think I said 'citizen' - or asked about either Seattle's history or politics, just talked about three basic facts.

But at least this time you didn't go into CitJoe Conspiracy Night headspace the way you usually do.  And when you're talking about canon, you don't actually have to mention that.  Or rather, we don't.  At this point, after this long, you actually do.

[Lorebane24]

Wouldn't the return of the Horrors essentially signal the end of the a playable sixth world, or at the very least dramatically eclipse the cyberpunk themes with somethings else?  I'm fine with them never being published.

[MijRai]

That would be true if there was a full-scale incursion of Horrors everywhere.  That said, a return of the threat of the Horrors is a whole other story.  Small-time Horrors getting in, or people trying to bring them over, that is good plot material. 

I mean, people in the Sixth World think Shedim are bad.  What do you think they'll consider that which can best be summed up by the thought that a Great Dragon committed ritual suicide to prevent their return?

[Herr Brackhaus]

Is it suicide if you know you'll live on in the Astral?

[MijRai]

That's if people know that much about it. 

[Herr Brackhaus]

I don't really consider Dunkelzahn to be "people"

[Lorebane24]

I don't really consider Dunkelzahn to be "people"

Racist.

[Sendaz]

I don't really consider Dunkelzahn to be "people"

Racist.

Shouldn't that be Speciest?

[CitizenJoe]

@Wyrm... you asked about which country Seattle was a part of.  I pointed out that it isn't that simple.  Is Puerto Rico part of the United States? Is Guantamo Bay part of th USA?  In shadowrun, is Manhattan, Inc. part of the UCAS? 

As far as conspiracies go, technically the formation of the USA was a political conspiracy, just not a very secret one.  In the most technical sense, the Treaty of Denver was a conspiracy as well as the negotiations that went into annexing Canadian provinces.  None of it was particularly nefarious or secret, but a small group did set out to create a new power structure. 

As to that connection between Tir na'Nog and Tir Tairngire (the linked thread),  the Tairngire elves did pull a lot of power and organization out of what we're thought to be refugees.  I'm pretty sure that there was some collusion going on.  There was obviously some puppeteering going on but a blatant replacement isn't really necessary for the story.

[CitizenJoe]

Humans define sapient.  We usually move the goal posts as things get closer to our definition.  What it amounts to is a private club of Homo sapiens.  If we deem you worthy, we'll call you sapient.  The problem is that dragons are so powerful that they don't want to stoop to be called people.

[Herr Brackhaus]

I don't really consider Dunkelzahn to be "people"

Racist.

Assumist! I simply meant that Dunkelzahn is obviously far superiour to mere humans...

[Rift_0f_Bladz]

@Wyrm... you asked about which country Seattle was a part of.  I pointed out that it isn't that simple.  Is Puerto Rico part of the United States? Is Guantamo Bay part of th USA?  In shadowrun, is Manhattan, Inc. part of the UCAS? 

Q1) Yes
Q2) Yes, but you don't want to go there
Q3) are they high enough up the Corp. food chain to have extraterritoriality? If so then no, if not, then yes.

[The Wyrm Ouroboros]

Which, Joe, is part of my point.  "For a straight answer, don't go to CitizenJoe - because not only is he incapable of giving you a straight answer, the answer he gives you probably won't even be canonical."  In this case, it IS canonical, but you had to make a particular note of that because of your past history.